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Serenska posted:
RideTheRails posted:

I like conventional operation but don't like being tied to one spot with the transformer.

RideTheRails:

I'm not picking on you, but I do have to ask, mostly because I'm a conventional operator and I'm curious: If your layout is properly wired and the track is properly laid and fastened, aren't you able to start all the trains and just leave them running while you walk around and admire things?  Or are you doing complicated switching operations that require variable speeds and throwing switches, etc. and you need to be near that activity while it's happening?

When I'm running in conventional (which is 100% of the time), the only time I need to go back to the control panel is to do some sort of complicated operation (like uncoupling a train, backing a consist onto a siding, etc.).  Outside of that, I walk around the layout while things are running just like anyone else.

For hard-to-reach or hard-to-see yards and accessories, I have small remote control panels (including additional transformers) located near where those operations need to take place.  This allows the operator to have fine oversight of the activity.

Thoughts anyone?

Steven J. Serenska

I have a yard area with multiple tracks. I enjoy switching operations. I get tired of watching the trains go around and around.

I have a layout that runs on DC I have not gone to Digital in any form not because I can't afford it I just like standing at one spot and switching cars and never had a need for it.

Have a look at the track plan and you will see where all the controls are. If I want to just operate a conventional freight train by myself I can make up a train at Yulan Valley Yard then run it around to Valley Forge I don't have to walk anywhere just turn around and I have both controls in front of me. The same goes for the Republic Steel and Rolling Mill area the only time you move is for uncoupling all that is done by hand. When I want to run the Slag train I flick a switch and walk around to the "transfer" controls and can then run the slag train from republic steel to the transfer sidings which then leads to the Slag dump siding if I had plenty of operators someone else could do that and the operator at republic steel would just sit there and watch but we don't have the endless operators. The same goes for the rest of the layout all the controls are in front of you of course this took a lot of wiring but it was done over a number of years not all in one go. having an electrical engineer as a good friend and operator helps a lot to! Roo.

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I grew up in an "O gauge world" before TMCC and before DCS. I had MTH and Lionel trains. I moved on to G, HO and N (at different times) and came back to O Gauge on Christmas Day 2004 when I was given a Lionel Pennsy Flyer train set. My next O Gauge set came a few months later with an MTH PS2 F3 freight set. I live only about 45 minutes from MTH's warehouse and Maryland offices. While we've unfortunately lost some, the local train stores, understandably, have a very heavy MTH presence both in sales and in service. They still do, even to this day. This is probably why I started buying MTH products. I also was amazed by the slow speed control, smoke and sound from PS2 products. I didn't have any TMCC equipment until later but did have conventional Lionel. Both MTH and Lionel were and still are great stuff. Even when I did have TMCC, I found MTH equipment to be better priced, more readily available and MTH produced what I liked. I also really liked the way the operated. TMCC was nice. Legacy is a lot of fun but for whatever reason (again, likely how the stores were) I went with MTH. 

I had DCS for years. It worked great. I eventually retired my conventional trains to shelves and even sold a few to help pay for the "latest and greatest". Fall 2013 I tore down my 8x8 DCS layout. I wanted to make changes, particularly to the track. I built several "temporary yet permanent" layouts in the following months as I wasn't happy with the scenery and also couldn't decide on a hi-rail or toy-rail theme. Regardless, on each new track plan, DCS would not work at all. Track signal read 10 all over but performed like the signal was non-existant. The layout was much less complicated than the previous one. I tired light bulbs, filters, fiber pins, etc - every trick in the book, I tried with no success. I rewired the layout 3 times and I even bought a brand new TIU and remote with no change in performance. I was getting sick of troubleshooting. I had local DCS experts and MTH tech's try to figure out my problem. All just scratched their heads. Totally stumped. 

I eventually walked into my LHS and got conventional transformers. Wish I did that years ago. Everything works. No BS, just run trains. I've never had an issue with the performance. Not to mention, I can run anything I want. Conventional, Legacy, DCS, TMCC. Just no remote. Fine with me! Many great things have come out of this. That first Pennsy Flyer - a Christmas gift from my mother and the train that reignited my love of O gauge trains after losing nearly all of my collection - was restored and refurbished and regularly rides the rails. I've also gained a love of Postwar and in about 6 months, I've added 3 engines and half a dozen Postwar cars to my collection. I'll also pick up my newest Postwar addition - a near mint 726RR this weekend. I have come to prefer simple, conventional trains. I can't work on the MTH stuff when it fails. However, if a reverse board goes bad in a Williams engine, I can (and have) gone from an inoperable engine to an operable engine by swapping the boards out in about a half hour. Very simple and straightforward. For my Postwar pieces, while I'm not capable of working on an E-Unit (yet!) I can easily open one up, clean a commutator, change brushes, service and lube, etc. I still have several modern MTH and Lionel engines with the latest and greatest electronics in them. I just picked up my MTH 44 ton switcher with PS3 and have another MTH PS3 engine on order. I'm also eyeing a Lionel LC+ engine. They are cool but I'm becoming less and less interested in dealing with the electronic laden engines. As someone in their mid-20s, that may be a bit unusual but it is what I want. Simple. 

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To each his own, for sure. I' m a conventional ops guy who's happy surfing the vast variety of the used market. For the price, I find most modern O gauge gimmickry like sound and cab chatter too tinny and annoying. Not being a Luddite though, I'd like to see how the whole Bluetooth thing works out for both control and sound. 

Roo posted:

I have a layout that runs on DC I have not gone to Digital in any form not because I can't afford it I just like standing at one spot and switching cars and never had a need for it.

Have a look at the track plan and you will see where all the controls are. If I want to just operate a conventional freight train by myself I can make up a train at Yulan Valley Yard then run it around to Valley Forge I don't have to walk anywhere just turn around and I have both controls in front of me. The same goes for the Republic Steel and Rolling Mill area the only time you move is for uncoupling all that is done by hand. When I want to run the Slag train I flick a switch and walk around to the "transfer" controls and can then run the slag train from republic steel to the transfer sidings which then leads to the Slag dump siding if I had plenty of operators someone else could do that and the operator at republic steel would just sit there and watch but we don't have the endless operators. The same goes for the rest of the layout all the controls are in front of you of course this took a lot of wiring but it was done over a number of years not all in one go. having an electrical engineer as a good friend and operator helps a lot to! Roo.

That's a very nice switching layout.  I don't think that operating it will allow boredom to set in .  Not many of us are brave enough to build a layout such as yours.   

My life long career has been designing digital systems controls for aircraft and missiles. I don't take it home and don't care for it in my personal life. The trains run conventionally it's an escape for me to a simpler time. but simpler times have to be put in perspective looking back they appear simpler than today but at the time they were seen as hectic as today appears. Social relativity I guess?

Bogie

I got into TMCC when it first came out. The main reason was being able to walk around the layout and do switching at the spot rather then from a distant control panel. Then I added DCS and then Legacy. I have my layout setup so I can run anything. I have four mainlines and right now I am running three conventional engines and one legacy. I still like all aspects of running..................Paul

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