Custom Run New Haven coaches

Mike,

I would if Seaboard owned them, but all they had were the smooth-side cars.  What other RRs owned these fluted cars?

As long as you have their ear, I wish you'd convince them to redo the smooth-sided cars as well , I missed out on them when they first came out and the secondary market is asking too much.

PRR trainguy,

I noticed that Weaver is advertising to re-run the non fluted Pullman Bradley coaches from a number of years ago. Are you proposing that they would be willing to paint those cars in a scheme similar to what you have pictured?

While I would be in for a number of the cars you have pictured with either the green or the orange stripe I wouldn't want the earlier coaches since they would not be correct for the cars in the photos as you well know.

I spoke to Joe today about possibly doing the heavyweight Pullman Bradley coaches in the New Haven olive color rather then the green pictured in his flyer and he did not want to do that since it is different than what is shown in the flyer.

If you wanted to solicit interest in the olive heavyweight cars I would be in for at least several of those.

I might be interested if they were new tooling to represent the cars shown and address the folowing two issues.

I have some of the Weaver Pullman Bradley cars. The pick up roller springs are too strong and cause derailments even on my very wide curves.

I also do not care for the seats. The hip to knee distance is outrageous. No scale passengers can ride in these cars!

I just emailed Weaver about adding the Seaboard smooth-side cars to their list, I hope they listen.

I would be in for a set if they were 18" versions.  Ditto for the smooth sided Osgood-Bradley cars.  I would be in for both NH and B&M liveries.

The full scale 21" cars are too long for the curves on my layout, and most layouts do not have the real estate for O72 curves or longer radius.

Just curious....I think the Osgood-Bradley cars are the "American Flyer" cars once seen

in the department stores, and, of course, now in train shows?  What railroads used those, besides the New Haven?  I was going to comment that I thought Weaver had done

those..but that has been addressed above..

Seaboard Air Line had coaches (830-835) and combines (285-288).

Weaver did the smooth-side cars a few years back and they are near impossible to find at a fair price.

The Pullman-Bradley smooth sided cars are commonly referred to as "American Flyer" cars as Gilbert/American Flyer made  "tinplate" semi-scale versions in the late '50s.  Here in the Northeast, the Boston and Maine and the Bangor and Aroostook owned these cars, as well as the New Haven.

I too, would like to see a set of New Haven, scale,  8600 series coaches produced, to go with my recently aquired FL-9's. I would buy a set of 4 cars if Weaver or GGD were to make them.

Larry Goolsby wrote an article about these cars in the 3rd Quarter 1999 issue of Lines South (Vol. 16, No. 3).

New Haven, SAL, Boston & Maine, Kansas City Southern, Bangor & Aroostook, St. Louis Southeastern, and Lehigh Valley all owned them.  He only mentions the NH as ordering the fluted-side cars after WWII.

SAL replaced the paired windows with large, single windows at one point.  To me, the single, wide windows look better.

The cars were only 13'-4" high whereas most heavyweight cars were 14'-2" and most other streamlined cars were 13'-6" high.

The coaches had 74 seats and the combines had 48 seats.

Seaboard's cars were Pullman Green, but they did repaint combine 285 light gray with black lettering, to blend in with the stainless steel consist for temporary service on the Silver Meteor.

Included in the article are equipment diagrams of both cars, as well as a good interior photo, but no indication of what interior colors were used (they are light in color).

I talked with Joe at Weaver and their interest is negative.  The cost of retooling is too high to justify it.

Accordingly I will order 10 cars, I already have 2 and when the spirit moves me, I will begin removing dividers to make the big windows. 

Does anyone know where I can obtain the corrugated material to simulate the corrugated siding?  Styrene?

The roof details are available at Keil Line so that is no problem.

Should be fun,

mikeg

Mike G,

Check Evergreen for the fluting material.

Mike,

Check here:

http://www.evergreenscalemodels.com/

and here:

http://www.plastruct.com/Pages/VOL8.html#DL

(to download their catalog, look around page 58 or so)

Good luck!

Hobby Lobby or Michales has courrated card stock (cardboard) used for scrap booking in 12"x12" sheets for $1.99 in a kraft brown,black,silver,purple,white etc.  Im using this right now for my Locomotive shop.I used foam core board for the base material.

today i sent an email to scott mann re ggd's modernized heavyweight cars.  the pictures  only show prr modernized with picture windows and 4 wheel trucks.  the others infer 6 wheel trucks with picture windows.  perhaps after reply by scott, the new haven ggd cars, if with 4 wheel trucks, might be a better starting point.

if anyone has any more info, please let me know. 

mikeg

Mike,

The GGD car is based on a PRR P70Far prototype. PRR models will have the correct PRR 2D-5P trucks. Other road names including NH will have Pullman 6 wheel trucks. You would need to replace the trucks with 41 type trucks to come close to what you are looking to do.

These 41 type trucks will be available separately later this year from GGD.

My opinion is that the Weaver Osgood Bradley cars may be an easier conversion due to them having the correct side/door/end contour. But,the GGD cars will have the wide windows necessary for the NH 8600 series cars.

Bob Delbridge

You will want to add the LIRR to your list of Osgood Bradley users. They came from the Boston & Maine but were in service from the 1950's to well into the MTA era. When acquired, they were grey with a circle LI on the car. Dashing Dan was added as well. The cars wore the World's fair Orange and Grey and the MTA blue and grey. I think they had them in service longer than the Boston & Maine. 

This is probably the best option.  Scott replied in that it was my choice.  Purchasing the PRR version for the picture windows and 4 wheel trucks is tempting but....  The others all will have 6 wheel trucks.  The cost effective way would be obtain the PRR since , no matter what it will be painted. 

If I could put both next to each other it would help. Not possible.

mikeg

These 41 type trucks will be available separately later this year from GGD.

THAT is great news!  I read an article I found online (must be true if they put it online, right?) that indicated there was a 41-ND and a 41-DN truck.  One was a truck that had been modified for the disk brakes and the other was made with them already in place.  I don't know if there's any noticeable difference or if it was even true.  What other types of 41 trucks were there?

Here's the email I got from Weaver:

We are doing the following road names in the Coaches:
G1277 New Haven Green
G1238 New Haven Black
G1281 Canadian National
G1280 Boston & Maine
G1287 Lehigh Valley John Wilkes
And possible the G1245 Reading

Have a Great Day! Weaver Models

So no Seaboard cars, oh well.

We are doing the following road names in the Coaches:
G1277 New Haven Green
G1238 New Haven Black
G1281 Canadian National
G1280 Boston & Maine
G1287 Lehigh Valley John Wilkes
And possible the G1245 Reading

Have a Great Day! Weaver Models

So no Seaboard cars, oh well.

I guess we're both in the do it yourself category. Cheerio old chap.

mikeg

Mike,

Even an undecorated car would be welcome at this point, may be even preferred.  I'm kinda tired of having to strip off paint or "make do".  At this point I'd rather not have it than have to keep spending $$$ and hoping the result will be worth the effort.

41-R

41-E

41-H

41-C

With at least 2 and as many as 6 variations each.

Thanks!

After looking at that list I did another Google search and found this info I thought I'd share:

From "Mainline Modeler", Jan/Feb 1982, by the late Bill/Wil/W. Gordon Anderson:

PULLMAN PREWAR CODE:

A - Any truck used at an articulation
U - Truck used under specific Union Pacific-assigned cars
41 - Four wheels, one bolster
43 - Four wheels, triple bolster (SP, UP, PRR, etc)
62 - Six wheels, double bolster
63 - Six wheels, triple bolster
E - Elliptical (leaf-style) bolster spring
H - Helical ("coil"-style) bolster spring
R - Equipped with roller bearings
X - Experimental
11 - 6"x11" journals (5.5"x10" were standard)

PULLMAN POSTWAR CODE:

No designating letter indicates standard 8-foot six-inch wheelbase
A = 7'0"
B = 8'0"
C = 9'0"

No designating letter indicates clasp brakes
D = disk (rotor) brakes

No designating letter indicates 15-1/16" pedestal liner openings (jaws)
N = 13-3/8"
M = 13-7/8" (Milwaukee Road)
U = 14-1/16" (Union Pacific)

No designating letter indicates helical ("coil") bolster springs
E indicates elliptical
P indicates combination of helical and elliptical (Pennsylvania, as on new Walthers "Broadway Limited" cars)

No designating letter indicates no roll stabilization
S = roll stabilizer

No designating number indicates 5.5"x10" bearings
11 (as suffix) indicates 6"x11" bearings

No designation indicates inside swing hangers
O = Outside swing hanger

Typical passenger trucks include the 41-N and 41-N-11, with the 41-ND being similar, except the sideframe-mounted brake cylinders and clasp brake rigging are removed in favor of disk assemblies within the sideframe. This is notable by the remaining bracket for the brake cylinder cast into the sideframe.

The prewar and postwar codes are a little confusing in the overlap, and some designations like 'H' for helical and 'R' for roller bearing were dropped, since postwar trucks pretty much dropped the use of elliptical springs and solid bearings. (It's a minor point, but spring professionals don't use the word "coil" to describe a helical spring, even though most of us still do -- and incorrectly! A "helical" spring winds around a central axis, while a "coil" spring winds on a single plane and outward from center, like a clock or watch spring.

Does anyone know if NH had diners on Patriot or only grill cars or both?

Does anyone have pictures or drawings of back side of grill and or dining cars?

I really wish that I could actually find someone who has some of the GTW/CN cars in this series. I run 2 rail and almost every time they are advertised, by the time I get to it, they are gone.

Also, does anyone know off-hand if the CN coach at the Pier 21 Museum in Halifax, Nova Scotia is an Osgood Bradley car?

Thanks

The cars in the pictures are Pullman-Standard cars. K-Line did a six car set of these in this paint scheme. I have the 21" set of cars and they are pretty accurate in paint, car names, and window layout. The only significant inaccuracy is the actual cars had the roof ends rounded off and the K-Line cars do not. Unfortunately I haven't seen these sets for sale by anyone for a long time.

Ken

As of today I have 8 cars from previous Weaver run. 

I have modified one so far and learned every time you try to fix small defects, you create more defects in a different way. 

The one car still isn't finished but when finished I will post a picture on this blog.

mikeg

You might want to try OK engines and streamliners.  They told me they will do custom car runs in any window configuration that you might want.  The cars are metal.

Here is a link:   http://okengines.com/customerbenefits.shtml

Joe

This originally was PRR coach. 

Cut out divider between windows to make picture windows.  I have NH text for letter board.  Slowly and unfortunately not as careful as I would like am redoing NY NY & H placard for lower placard as per prototype.  I do not like the orange color but am perplexed as to what to substitute.  Have not made rastered windows, and debating if really worthwhile.

Roof details are Keil Line and hopefully accurate. 

Everything takes longer than planned.  I will finish one completely and to my satisfaction before doing other 7. 

mikeg

Your car looks very good to me. I believe Floquil made a color called saucony (sic)? red that was a good shade for NH orange that I used years ago.

Also, Champ made the NH emblem in various sizes and in white, black, and orange letters.Probably tough to find now.

Does anyone have any idea of where to obtain Floquil "saucony" red paint or similar color?

mikeg