I hate those. Auction on the bay has an "0 scale" kit for a small Shay, by Keystone, who with other efforts have shown they know something about logging. While l would much prefer a fleet of Heislers, at least it didn't sound like a tentruck monster ,that would really track THROUGH the creek like the one in W. Va. I am still thinking about how l will model track through a flowing creek. Open photos and box has "HO" all over it. I delete auction, after asking seller which was correct. GRRRR!