Engine won’t Rev up with movement

Can you raise the RPM's with it standing still?

Nope just volume for everything 

I've never seen the Bluetooth screen, can you post a screen shot? 

Our normal issue is it they rev so much we have to manually lower the RPM's.

I'm pretty sure that the Bluetooth app does not have the capability to control steam labor/diesel rev levels. That is an advanced Legacy feature, while the BT app gives you basic functions.

BobbyD posted:

I've never seen the Bluetooth screen, can you post a screen shot? 

Our normal issue is it they rev so much we have to manually lower the RPM's.

That’s the weird part. The book on the engine says nothing about not being able to use all sound function with a universal remote or app. It actually does say you can adjust the chuffing and engine rev on the app. Very confusing to me. 

There is a section when you push on the gear where you can control engine sound and chuffing if steam. As well as pitch of horn. I’ve looked all over the internet for an answer and can’t find one. I have an email sent to Lionel but have not heard back. 

WTAM posted:

There is a section when you push on the gear where you can control engine sound and chuffing if steam. As well as pitch of horn. I’ve looked all over the internet for an answer and can’t find one. I have an email sent to Lionel but have not heard back. 

Yep, interesting that every single demo which comes up uses a steam engine rather than a diesel

BobbyD posted:

Yep, interesting that every single demo which comes up uses a steam engine rather than a diesel

Steam rules, don't you know that?

gunrunnerjohn posted:

BobbyD posted:

Yep, interesting that every single demo which comes up uses a steam engine rather than a diesel

Steam rules, don't you know that?

Wow John!  Thats gotta be your least helpful post .........ever.

It helped me. I didn’t know “steam rules”. 🤔

Hi All, not sure if this will help anyone in the future, probably was already solved given this was from 2019 but it came up for me.   I have the Alco C420 from the 2019 Catolog p/n  1933430 I just bought.  Found this thread after it wouldn't rev up for me.  Lionel told me the only way to get revs out of these is to have the legacy remote.  They said the 2020 models will rev with the universal remote.  Maybe the 2019 models but she didn't know for sure.  So that is a big bummer, probably wouldn't have bought it if i knew this prior.  Oh well.  I like the simplicity of the universal remote, especially with kiddos running them.  But instead of buying a second universal remote for future locomotives I may have to spend the $$ on the legacy remote.  Will see.  

Also agree with the steam being a notch above, they are so cool to run, watch the moving parts, steam whistle and so on but seeing some diesels you see today is cool too.  Only diesels on my radar will be ones that kiddos & I see in our area like Amtrak and Canadian National with bluetooth that can run on 036, rest will be steam.  

You might consider the CAB1L/BASE1L set, it's a much simpler remote than the CAB2.  You can also have the full Legacy #990 set and add a CAB1L remote to run, it's compatible with the Legacy command base.

Thank you gunrunner for the suggestion. I see what you mean.  For the legacy remote Do you need the TMCC lock on and then any ac transformer like a cw80?

 Or will it communicate with these locomotives via Bluetooth and not need the base to the track?  

You'll need to connect it to the track. One wire to the common (outer) rails. Your current transformer set up should work as is. What are you using now?

I ordered the  “new and improved” cw-80 so might as well say I’m using that one as that is what I plan to use soon.  

IMO, you never need the TMCC Lockon if you have a decent transformer with proper circuit protection.  FWIW, if you use the TMCC Lockon, don't plan on running any MTH DCS stuff, it kills the signal.

@Sparty1225 posted:

I ordered the  “new and improved” cw-80 so might as well say I’m using that one as that is what I plan to use soon.  

 What's "new and improved" with the CW-80.  IMO, I'd skip that troublesome product and buy a real transformer.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

IMO, you never need the TMCC Lockon if you have a decent transformer with proper circuit protection.  FWIW, if you use the TMCC Lockon, don't plan on running any MTH DCS stuff, it kills the signal.

 What's "new and improved" with the CW-80.  IMO, I'd skip that troublesome product and buy a real transformer.

Thank you for the advice!  I was told the "new and improved" CW-80 has a fast acting breaker? I read another power forum where you mentioned the 180 watt powerhouse is a good option and doing some reading does seem like a good option.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

IMO, you never need the TMCC Lockon if you have a decent transformer with proper circuit protection.  FWIW, if you use the TMCC Lockon, don't plan on running any MTH DCS stuff, it kills the signal.

 What's "new and improved" with the CW-80.  IMO, I'd skip that troublesome product and buy a real transformer.

They said a breaker and fan cooling? Hmmm, I wonder if i can cancel my preorder and buy a different transformer. 

Some of the first Legacy w/ Bluetooth diesel engines have a code bug where the engine won't ramp using a Bluetooth controller like the Universal Remote. So you have to use a Legacy controller to get that functionality. That has seen be fixed in the code.

The new release CW-80 will have redesigned electronics that will be based on the PH180 electronics, so it'll be a stout little transformer. But if you ever want to run more than 1 engine, I would suggest going right to a GW180, PH180, or hey, get a ZW-L! 

Thank you Dave! I wasn't planning on going legacy but this little locomotive with a bug might lead me to it since it can't be fixed.  (assuming it can't be fixed or swapped with an updated code?)

One thing lead to another is my experience so far in this hobby haha, I have a feeling I should/will take gunrunner's and your advice and upgrade now to one of the transformers you are mentioning.  

@Dave Olson posted:

The new release CW-80 will have redesigned electronics that will be based on the PH180 electronics, so it'll be a stout little transformer. But if you ever want to run more than 1 engine, I would suggest going right to a GW180, PH180, or hey, get a ZW-L! 

One question Dave, will the output waveform still look like this?  That's my major issue with the CW-80, that drives some electronics nuts!

@Dave Olson posted:

Some of the first Legacy w/ Bluetooth diesel engines have a code bug where the engine won't ramp using a Bluetooth controller like the Universal Remote. So you have to use a Legacy controller to get that functionality. That has seen be fixed in the code.

Any chance that folks could get an upgraded part to repair the existing locomotives?

If the new cw has the same waveform I’m a better off going with the 180 powerhouse?  I believe it has a breaker built in, is that correct?

thank you