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Here is my problem. I have a large layout that has the main line wired in 12 blocks that are controlled by relays to cut off power in the block behind a train so they don't catch up with each other. At present I run five trains on the main line. All the engines are wired to go forward automatically when power comes on again. I use MTH, Lionel and Williams engines. Each engine has a rectifier installed to control the direction of travel since the second engine in a set is actually running backwards. I bypass or eliminated all electronic control systems. Each block has it's own transformer set at the appropriate speed for that block so no train is effected by the stop or start of another. So far so good. The problem arises when sets of engines run at different speeds with each transformer set at a certain power level. Most diesels run pretty much at the same speed except for Williams which seem to run faster. I double head them to slow them down a bit. When I run steamers they use a lot more power and if I crank up the transformers to run the steamers the diesels go at 150 mph!!! I'd like to rum both steam and diesel at the same time and not have to exchange them and change all the transformer settings each time.

Here is the real question: If I wire the dual motors in the diesels in series instead of in parallel will that slow them down and but will that hurt the windings in the motors???

Does anybody have an answer???

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It would be best to stay with one brand of engine and model of engine when doing what you describe, like two SD-45's from Lionel or two SD-45's from MTH, not an SD-45 and a GP-9. When you put three different engines together on a layout, even with block wiring, they have a tendency to act up.

 

If you wire the Williams diesels in series you will get slower speed but it might be too slow, like slower then a snail.

 

You may have to just adjust your transformer every time.

 

What I have done to slow down my Williams is to use a different transformer with them then a Lionel transformer, either an MTH Z-1000 or a Troller TAC 2001.

 

Lee Fritz

With the Williams engines I have I use 6 amp 50 volt bridge rectifiers in them instead of the reverse circuit board. I have a pair of powered F-7's that I did that to because they would not start in the direction that I wanted them to start in as I double head them. I have run the F-7's for over two years that way without problems.

 

Just make sure the voltage rating is good for your electronic parts if you use them.

 

Lee Fritz

Wiring in Series will not hurt the motors at all.

As long as the Diodes are Rated 5 Watts or more they will not get hot enough to matter.

Lower wattage diodes can get hot.

 

And the dis-similar engine mix is why I mention using added diodes to slow some engines. Run a pair on the track close together but not connected, pick the fast one, Add a diode, run them again. Watch for them to split up or close in. If it happens fast, add a diode to the fast one or remove a diode from the slow one. There will be a point where they go from closing to opening (or vise versa) with one diode change. That is as good as it will get. Hook 'em up and run.

The faster one will tend to get hot first but the slower one will help pull the load.

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