Fallen Flags

Growing up, my house was two doors from a Missouri Pacific line here in St. Louis (next to U.S. Grant's Farm/Busch family property).  I also go for Frisco, MKT, and Wabash but I like Mopac first.

I live in Yorktown Heights, NY where there was a train station on the Putnam Division of the NY Central (The Put). This NY Central ten wheeler commonly ran on The Put. This video shows it hauling passengers to Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds:

LOL, Arnold

When the Staggers Act caused many redundant shortlines to be abandoned and pulled up, the Quanah, Acme & Pacific was down to one 5 man crew in 1981.  The senior engineer and two senior conductors bid the job to run the rail train that took up the rails out west.  That left the fireman and junior conductor at home to operate the nightly switcher.  I was relocated to Quanah and given a QA&P employee number to fill out a short crew for the switcher.  By Spring of 1982 we were all released.  Yet, here we go in February 2020:

Beginning in 2006, another forum I belonged to began a club car program. Paul Fischer, also  long time member here, proposed the idea to the membership. A committee was formed consisting of some of the founding members, and since Paul was a dealer for Weaver, and the group desired a made in America product, Weaver was the unanimous choice. Fallen Flag roads were chosen, and rolling stock not to exceed 40 feet from the steam era were the criteria. The first car was a DT&I AC 2 covered hopper. The car was a success, exceeding the 100 car minimum in spite of the fact that the forum was only a few months old. The program continued until the closing of Weaver Models in 2014. the other offerings in order were a Rock Island Line 40 flat car, Milwaukee Road 40 stock car, Century Brewing, (Colorado), wood side reefer, Reading 2 bay composite hopper,Birmingham Southern outside braced boxcar, Sinclair tank car, (the only car not from the steam era), and Boston and Albany 40 foot wood side gondola. 

Lionel JLC C&O Allegheny pulling a way to short coal train.

Ken

The Broadway Limited on the late, great Standard Railroad of the World!!!

This one's dedicated to Peter who started this thread. Very much outside of the usual C&O and Virginian I have.

Ken

A Fallen Flag from Michigan • The Detroit & Mackinac Railway

To see this new locomotive from Lionel, run on my layout.

Please (Click here)

Gary

Like the Smirnoff car!

N&W Class J 611

C&O M1 500, The Chessie (that never was)

N&W Class A 1218

N&W Class Y6b 2200

I think there are only five heritage railroads that have never been "fallen flags:"  Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, Florida East Coast, Kansas City Southern and Union Pacific.

Rusty

One of my favorite flags - fallen or otherwise!!!

The PA is from 3rd Rail’s second run last year. Behind that are two Lionels - a U33C from 2018 and an RS-11 from 2001.

kanawha posted:

This one's dedicated to Peter who started this thread. Very much outside of the usual C&O and Virginian I have.

Ken

Ken.....those "washboard" 21" cars by K-Line are magnificent!

Thanks for posting.....

Peter

Peter,

This post is with you in mind.  Happy Front End Friday!

Chris

LVHR

 I’ve always liked milk trains. Much like the NYO&W. The Rutland carried milk bound for NY city and later for Boston. I basically bought only Boston & Albany and New Haven. I finally dove in and bought a Lionel 10 Wheeler to re letter into a Rutland. Wouldn’t have started the project if it wasn’t for Highball Graphics offering decals. Planned on just creating a milk train to pull my Lionel cars. The whole project then snowballed. I now have a fleet of Rutland Steamers. Scratchbuilt a few unique wooden cars. Acquired a number of brass 2 rail milk cars. With a somewhat complete layout. It gives me an outlet to model something other than buildings or details. 

Apples55 posted:

One of my favorite flags - fallen or otherwise!!!

The PA is from 3rd Rail’s second run last year. Behind that are two Lionels - a U33C from 2018 and an RS-11 from 2001.

Love the D&H.....thank you!

Peter

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W Class J 611

C&O M1, The Chessie (that never was)

N&W Class A 1218

N&W Class Y6b 2200

Wonderful!

Peter

Some of my D&H pics......I added an MTH SD-45 to my fleet to give my Coastal Freight a Command Control option.......

Peter

Gilly@N&W posted:

N&W Class J 611

 C&O M1 500, The Chessie (that never was) 

Thanks for sharing Gilly... love those amazing looooooooong passenger trains!!!

When I first saw a model of a Conrail engine, I felt it was too easy a paint scheme as it was all blue. I went track side and watched a team of diesels pulling a train thru wine country up here in NY. The paint scheme really grew on me. It started to represent my favorite things about modern diesels, brute force and a plain beauty.

 Now that Conrail is gone, I really miss it. I don't get around like I used to so I'm not sure what's pulling thru those wine country tracks now. I have to guess it's mainly GE diesels still but in CSX modern schemes.

Hmmm.... I just realized I don't have a pure Conrail power video! I'll have to make one. Here's one with another road tied on!  (where's the rope?)

CR outback on straight DC power

I would add the Long Island Rail Road as one flag still flying.

MikeH posted:

This is a nice nose, ya knowz .. 

You asked..ah...

Alaska! 

This is an old video of a railking locosound mohawk NYO&W.I repainted for the SAL rail road that served my home town of monroe n.c.Now CSX

Here are some of my Fallen Flags. Southern Railway, Georgia Railroad,& Central of Georgia.

I was six years old when the Penn Central merger took place.  I was fourteen when Conrail was formed.  All I knew during my formative years was Penn Central.  I didn't know, or care, about all of the problems the PC, or other railroads were experiencing at the time.  All I knew was that there were a LOT of trains that ran on the tracks behind our house (ex PRR Ft. Wayne Line).  I didn't appreciate the variety of motive power and fallen flag roads that passed before my eyes.  I decided to model the Penn Central because of the memories I had, and to remember a dark, but important era of American railroading.

A U33C, SD45 and a GP35 lead a train of fallen flags.

A consist of locomotives of several eras and manufactures was a common sight on the Penn Central

Older first generation motive power was often called to duty because of power shortages

Tom

Cheers, Peter! Long live the NYO&W!

Really neat pictures and videos, everyone!

Peter

Here are my Eagles in O-27

Early 1970's C&O leaving the yard.

Ken

Gorgeous trees in the background of your video, Ken.

I don't think anyone in New England really accepts that the Maine Central and the Boston & Maine are gone. Oh, and that other road in Connecticut, name escapes me...

I find this "flag" thing interesting.  The Wabash and LV used a flag as a kind of logo on some of their locomotives.  "Follow the flag" was an ad slogan for the Wabash.  But one does not hear much about "flags" unless a railroad stops operating, or is mergered.  I do know UP does fly a flag with its shield at some of its locations.  Is this use the basis for calling a railroad a "flag".

Thanks to all the peeps who posted videos. Loved 'em all.

I grew up in Kansas City & Salt Lake City.  I learned to count at age 5 to 100 watching SOUTHERN PACIFIC steam engines pulling boxcar consists across the Great Salt Lake area in 1957.  Moved back to KC in 62.  I remember The Rock Island, Frisco, Missouri Pacific, and still alive KC Southern & Union Pacific at Union Station during the 60's.

And my Frisco Tribute

Warbonnets

With all the mergers and consolidations, its pretty hard not to model a fallen flag.  There are very few railroads that I can think of existing today that still retain the same name outside Union Pacific, CN and Canadian Pacific.  Norfolk Southern, BNSF, and CSX, all are the result of a merger and a new name.   Still, I model what I like.

John

The Maine Central is my fallen flag.   Technically it still exist inside of Pan Am Railways (former Guilford Transportation)  But, for me the Maine Central ended when Fink (Guilford) purchased the MEC from U.S. Filter Corp.  in 1981.  

I'm still preparing my layout room.   I purchased this MTH GP7 and Atlas caboose for a club member last month.

My entire layout takes place in post WW2 America and incorporates 7 fallen flag railroads.  One of them is the Western Maryland.  A road that I did not grow up near but through considerable reading and in visiting some of it's former stomping grounds, I've learned to love this relatively small class one railroad.