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You my recall that a year or so ago I rebuilt a  Pennsy Weaver troop series express car using a plastic frame and the center sill that survived removal from the warped frame.

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Having finished the Atlas undecorated troop kitchen project  it was now time to start rebuilding the three Weaver troop cars I have that fell victim to Weaver Zinc rot disease. The first one up was my Pennsy express car.

I moved the plastic frame back to a Canadian National express car I had bought for the Allied Cushion trucks I needed  for another project. I was able to come up with another set of  trucks so I was able to put the CN express car back in service.

Here is the Atlas Frame and center sill with brake components from a damaged Weaver Frame. Some of the brake lines broke when I removed them form the Weaver fames so I used brass wire to make replacement  brake lines. Also remember that you will need the mounting screws from your old Weaver center sill. The new Atlas frame and center sill do not come with mounting screws. The new Atlas frame and center sill needs two screws.  After struggling with the brake components when I built the undecorated Atlas troop kitchen I learned a few things:

1. It is a lot easer to install the  brake tanks and other components without the steam line on the frame. The new Atlas replacement frames do not include steam line. Also the mounting points for the triple valves, air tanks, and brake cylinder will need to be cleaned out so the parts  will fit in the holes.

2. I assumed the original Weaver steam line would fit on the new Atlas frame. Well, the Weaver steam line does not fit at all. The new Atlas center sill has holes in each end of the center sill to route the steam line, the Weaver steam line ran in and out from under the under frame cross members. I used a brass wire that was small enough to fit in the holes in the Atlas center sill.

Here is the completed brake rigging on the Atlas frame. and center sill.

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Here is the steam line installed. Notice the original Weaver steam line next to the new frame.

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The completed frame and center sill painted.

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I was able to salvage the plastic floor from the CN express car (it's frame shattered into pieces after I had removed the trucks) so I used it's plastic floor on my Pennsy car. The Pennsy plastic floor had bent into a nice U shape along with the   original Pennsy frame .  

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Well, I  was just about finished with the Pennsy express car when the dreaded curse of the Weaver Zinc rot stuck the Pennsy express car again - The *&!*&!! Weaver truck broke when I  was moving it around in order install the body screws. Well, another lesson learned - If you are using original Weaver trucks install them after you mount the  car body to the frame. They can't take any  pressure on the side frames at all. I had to cannibalize the CN Weaver express car  again in order to replace the truck on the Penny car.

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Here is the finished Pennsy express car with an Atlas frame and center sill.

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Next up will be a Weaver troop Kitchen car. I was able to remove all the brake detail parts in tact  from both ends of the warped frame so maybe the  kitchen car project will go a little easier. The Weaver troop sleeper is waiting on several  replacement parts to be ordered that I had to cannibalize from it (We called "controlled substitution" back in my Army days when preparing those dead line reports.)

Thanks,

Richard

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Colorado HiRailer,

Rebuilding the frames is a little time consuming, but fun, and we all need to give Atlas a shout out for making the replacement frames and other parts available to us. I just wish the price would have come in around $20 instead of $29 for the replacement frames. I still have some Weaver express cars with frames that have not failed yet. It would be nice to have a couple of the replacement frames on hand just in case the Weaver Zinc rot syndrome strikes again.

I have read that the real railroads had to stop the use of the Allied Cushion trucks because they were found to be causing  derailments. I guess Weaver held true to the prototype, because their O gauge version of the Allied Cushion Truck is also unreliable. 

Take care,

Richard

Price,

Atlas O has the replacement trucks. Atlas redesigned the Weaver trucks, and they are available as a replacement part.  You should be able to go on their website and order them. It's been a while since I ordered them. The price was $22...each! They may be higher now. They are only available with the roller pickups.

I keep two or three sets on hand. I recently replaced a set of trucks on my NYC Weaver express car. One truck fell apart while I was running it in a train causing a derailment. I replaced the broken truck and decided to replace the other truck although it looked like it was OK.  After I removed the good truck, Iplaced it on my work bench. It rolled offthe work bench onto a carpeted floor and fell apart. Weaver really stuck it to theircustomers when they sold us troop sleepers and express cars that succumbed tozinc rot in the frames and trucks.

Hats off to Atlas O for taking on the Weaver troop sleepers and express cars and making the replacement frames and trucks available to us.

Sorry for my rant but that whole episode with Weaver still sets me off after all these years.

Richard

Price,

Here is a temporary solution.

MTH made a #2089022 Weaver freight truck after Weaver folded. The truck should work on the troop sleeper or express car. You probably won't be able to use the couplers that comes with the trucks. I think the car would sit too high with the Weaver coupler on the truck. You could use the old Walthers couplers by mounting them on the car frame.  see pictures below.

Hope this helps,

Richard



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@RoyBoy posted:

I just sent an email to Atlas and here is the reply.

Hello,

          We did get some in but we sold out of them. We won’t get anymore in until we do another run of the troop cars. I don’t know when that will be.



Steve

Unfortunately along with those who really need them, there must be hoarders. Once a part is posted as "rare" here they instantly become unavailable. Atlas could make a small fortune selling complete frames with trucks.

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