GOING INTO PRODUCTION!!-- 3rd Rail B&O Columbian Passenger Car Sets--Wow!

Ray,
You make a good point about the colors on the GGD B&O equipment and the forthcoming Columbian and E-7 units. Like you, I believe the GGD colors were quite good except I would like to see a little more yellow added for the striping/lettering.

The Columbian frequently had heavyweight coaches added during heavy traffic times as well as having a heavyweight postal car so copying the colors makes sense.

So be it.
Bob

What is the ETA for the Columbian Sets? Thanks.

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the Columbian will sell very well

I completely agree. What a beautiful train.

Good Day,

Is there any news on when the Golden Gate Baltimore & Ohio "Columbian” Passenger Car Sets are going into production?

Regards,
Swafford

My arm is now twisted! Gimme a set of that BeeanO Columbian. While yer at
it, I'll take a Help yourself Salad Bowl....Crabs and Beer!

Does anyone have any information when the GGD B&O Columbian passenger cars will hit the market?

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Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Does anyone have any information when the GGD B&O Columbian passenger cars will hit the market?

I believe the GGD Web site says they STILL NEED 25 MORE RESERVATIONS!!!!!

I regret that I have but one B&O Columbian to reserve for my hobby. Need the rest of you to jump in, the water is fine. ray

Ray is correct. Without some additional reservations this train will be scrapped. The expected builder is the one doing the 1949 PRR Broadway Limited. Check out the GGD website to see the quality of that train if you have reservations about what standard the Columbian will be built to.

While Scott is ready to pull The Columbian from the reservation list on the website I have asked that it remain a while longer. I will take my HO Palace Car Co. train to display at York in April for one last shot.

I am hoping this train and something else (SP Lark?) may be combined to make a package deal large enough for the builder to proceed. An issue is that Columbian cars are correct for that train only and can't be painted UP, SP, NYC, etc.and still be accurate. If the Columbian can't be done correctly then it won't be compromised.

So I'll come out and ask it. Has everyone that has an order in for this train set with Just Trains confirmed that your reservation has been logged with GGD? With all the sadness that has transpired there in recent months, it may have been overlooked.

Just asking,

Gary

Gary,
Kirke had not put reservations in, and I have reminded Scott of that.
Your comment and question is good and timely.

I hope folks will call GGD or another dealer and put a reservation in if they were going to or had done so with Just Trains.

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Originally posted by rheil:
Gary,
Kirke had not put reservations in, and I have reminded Scott of that.
Your comment and question is good and timely.

I hope folks will call GGD or another dealer and put a reservation in if they were going to or had done so with Just Trains.

Scott Mann or R Heil-

What 3rd Rail dealers will accept reservations for these cars? Thanks.

Bob Thatcher at A-M Hobbies and JD's Trains in St. Louis, MO.

Chessie Man,
Your regular Sunset/GGD dealer can do it. Folks in your Friday night group can give you other options as well.

Every B&O fan should have a Colombian set, IMHO. Come on folks, let's make this happen!

Chessie,
Some additional reservations have come in lately. Probably another 15 reservations for the 8 car train will get it under way.

As I stated in an earlier post you can see the quality of The PRR Broadway Limited (and The Columbian if it is on track) on the GGD website.
I will also have samples of the Broadway cars at the Cherry Valley,NJ,show in March and at the Chicago March meet.

Do you have enough reservations to proceed with the project?

I was wondering the same.............Golden Gate Depot any news?

Regards,
Swafford

Pictures from the Golden Gate Depot website:

GGD still need MORE reservations! Keep 'em comming.

Wish my K-Lines looked that good. They came here in bargain boxes.

How many of you B&O fans would prefer to purchase a five-car Cincinnatian train set instead of the eight-car Columbian train set?

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How many of you B&O fans would prefer to purchase a five-car Cincinnatian train set instead of the eight-car Columbian train set?

CM,
There is a good possibility the Columbian configuration may be changed to be a 6 car train instead of two 4 car sets. The 6 car train would include 2 coaches. For those of us wishing to have an 8 car train an additional 2 coach set would be available.

The good news of this is that it may increase reservations for The Columbian. The bad news is that perhaps some who reserved the 8 car train will now cut back to 6 cars with the end result being still not enough Columbian reservations.

My thought in promoting the Columbian over the Cincinnatian is the appeal of the dome car and the fact that motive power options for the Columbian are varied vs the Cincinnatian.

I would buy both sets. I wish that more folks wold sign up for these cars!

Good Day,

Would a Columbian configuration with 6 passenger cars include the Dome Car?

Regards,
Swafford

I wonder if this is why MTH refuses to make B&O? Maybe there really isn't enough demand? I love the B&O, but I am not modeling it anymore. Even if I was, I don't have the space to run full scale 2 rail passenger cars, so these aren't on my radar. They are nice though. Hopefully you guys will get enough pre-orders to get them made. Nothing like waiting for something you want only to have the plug pulled.

I bought a set of the Lionel Columbian cars and run them with Williams E-7 locomotives.

My question is about the color of the trucks. Lionel has silver trucks on the cars. The Williams E-7 has black trucks. Would this be correct that the trucks were silver on the Columbian? If so, would the locomotives used on the Columbian have black trucks or silver?

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Originally posted by VistaDomeScott:

My question is about the color of the trucks. Lionel has silver trucks on the cars. The Williams E-7 has black trucks. Would this be correct that the trucks were silver on the Columbian? If so, would the locomotives used on the Columbian have black trucks or silver?

B&O locomotive trucks were black. As for the cars, well, take your pick.

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Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Here are a few pictures of B&O's two dome cars, number 5550 "High Dome" and number 5551 "Sky Dome."

5550 in original Columbian paint showing icicle breaker




5551 in Columbian paint



5551 as repainted into C&O colors. This photo provides a good view of the floodlights and icicle breaker.

Good Day,

Is there any news to report on the Golden Gate Baltimore & Ohio "Columbian” Passenger Car Sets?

Regards,
Swafford

Swafford,Scott has about 15 orders for this set, that is not enough to build it. He needs more orders. BF

Bob Heil says:

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My thought in promoting the Columbian over the Cincinnatian is the appeal of the dome car and the fact that motive power options for the Columbian are varied vs the Cincinnatian.

and Sasquach says

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Swafford,Scott has about 15 orders for this set, that is not enough to build it. He needs more orders. BF

How about the folks who own the Weaver Cincinnatian loco with no train to run behind it? Maybe GGD should open reservations for THAT train set (5 cars only) and see what the response is. I'll sign up.

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Originally posted by jonnyspeed:
I wonder if this is why MTH refuses to make B&O? Maybe there really isn't enough demand? I love the B&O, but I am not modeling it anymore. Even if I was, I don't have the space to run full scale 2 rail passenger cars, so these aren't on my radar. They are nice though. Hopefully you guys will get enough pre-orders to get them made. Nothing like waiting for something you want only to have the plug pulled.

? I have an MTH Premier B&O set, very nice cars, pulled by an AA set of WBB E7's, and it looks great.

"How about the folks who own the Weaver Cincinnatian loco with no train to run behind it? Maybe GGD should open reservations for THAT train set (5 cars only) and see what the response is. I'll sign up."

I would too. I pull the old set of 18" MTH cars with the paint scheme matching the Weaver engine. I modified a dinning car from the add-on set to make a baggage/cafe car to make a more appropriate 5-car set. Regardless, the cars are not great for a bunch of prototypical and operational short- comings. Maybe 3rd Rail will reconsider.

Rex,
I have spoken to a number of people at various shows about The Cincinnatian train. While many say that it would be a good project, virtually everyone (maybe 90%) I spoke to say they already have a train for their Weaver engine and would not be interested in purchasing a more correct Cincinnatian train.

Also, considering the fact that the Weaver engines are rather scarce on the aftermarket there is some concern about people purchasing a train w/o being able to get the engine.

Now, at some point Sunset will probably do the B&O P-7 after the T-3 sells out. Since the plan is to do the original P-7 and the P-7e there is a posssibilty for some P-7d (Cincinnatian) engines also. That would be a great time to do the train also.
Bob

Bob-

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virtually everyone (maybe 90%) I spoke to say they already have a train for their Weaver engine and would not be interested in purchasing a more correct Cincinnatian train.

May be, but their trains can't be right unless they scratchbuilt them. Running MTH lightweight cars behind the Cincinnatian loco is sinful

As for the Weaver P-7, mebbe the guys that already have them would spring for a proper set of cars. Never know til you ask the community at large.

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Now, at some point Sunset will probably do the B&O P-7 after the T-3 sells out. Since the plan is to do the original P-7 and the P-7e there is a possibilty for some P-7d (Cincinnatian) engines also. That would be a great time to do the train also.

I don't have enough lifetime left
Maybe Weaver will do a rerun and then all GGD has to do is produce the cars

I ordered a set of these cars from Sean, I think they were B&O to run with the T3. Old age is a bummer, but I guess it is still better then the other side of the coin.

We need to beat the bushes hard to get the Columbian, Cincinnatian or both sets made. Right now, I am not ordering a PRR Congressional set for my five scale GG1s because I don't want to miss out on the B&O cars. After all, I can't buy it all.

I think that 3rd Rail should seriously explore the Cincinnatian as well as the columbian. There are at least 750 Weaver P-7d models out there and I would bet that one third of the owners would be interested in an accurate Cincinnatian passenger car set. That would be 250 car sets. It would only be a five-car train set that would be more cost efficient to purchase, and the cars would have the correct six-wheel trucks that the rebuilt heavyweight prototype used. And for me, a scale five-car set will not overwhelm my layout.

"Running MTH lightweight cars behind the Cincinnatian loco is sinful"

Now, that hurts. Guess 3rd Rail will have to save me from my sinful ways.

Chessie's got it right. Between the folks who run the original Cincinnatian car set and those who prefer the Detroit train, there should be enough interest to make a run of cars worthwhile.

Here is another view of th Cincinnatian.

If anyone has been thinking about this train set but has not reserved one, please make a reservation soon. Thanks.

Good Day,

What is the status on the Golden Gate Baltimore & Ohio "Columbian” Passenger Car Sets? I’m curious, how many reservations are required to move this set into production?

Regards,
Swafford