GOING INTO PRODUCTION!!-- 3rd Rail B&O Columbian Passenger Car Sets--Wow!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChessieMan:
There are at least 750 Weaver P-7d models out there and I would bet that one third of the owners would be interested in an accurate Cincinnatian passenger car set.
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I have the weaver cincinnatian and it is numbe 66 of 400. I have a set of mth cars to pull behind it but I would be very interested in a better version of the cars. Now unless weaver made a second run of these cars that I am not aware of there are only 400 p7d's out there made by weaver.

Here is my train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJWP3UPqDWw

I'd agree that you'll never see the Cincinattian done in O, other than
brass because of the unique nature of the cars....but then the Columbian
cars are pretty unique too, so perhaps maybe someday. I'd like to go
ahead and get the train, but I'm getting ready to move, and it would be
a shelf piece for a while at least.

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Originally posted by aaron87:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChessieMan:
There are at least 750 Weaver P-7d models out there and I would bet that one third of the owners would be interested in an accurate Cincinnatian passenger car set.
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I have the weaver cincinnatian and it is numbe 66 of 400. I have a set of mth cars to pull behind it but I would be very interested in a better version of the cars. Now unless weaver made a second run of these cars that I am not aware of there are only 400 p7d's out there made by weaver.

Here is my train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJWP3UPqDWw

Number 66 0f 400 two rail or three rail? Weaver had different serial numbers for each type.

Good point,
mine is a 3 rail version. I never got into 2 rail O. It's much easier to find 3 rail for sale lol.
In either version they are hard to find. I don't think I have seen a 2 rail version for sale before but I haven't looked been looking for one.

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Originally posted by ChessieMan:

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Originally posted by aaron87:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChessieMan:
There are at least 750 Weaver P-7d models out there and I would bet that one third of the owners would be interested in an accurate Cincinnatian passenger car set.
[QUOTE]



I have the weaver cincinnatian and it is numbe 66 of 400. I have a set of mth cars to pull behind it but I would be very interested in a better version of the cars. Now unless weaver made a second run of these cars that I am not aware of there are only 400 p7d's out there made by weaver.

Here is my train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJWP3UPqDWw

Number 66 0f 400 two rail or three rail? Weaver had different serial numbers for each type.

Good Day Golden Gate,

What is the status on your Baltimore & Ohio "Columbian” Passenger Car Sets? I’m curious, how many reservations are required to move this set into production?

Regards,
Swafford

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Number 66 0f 400 two rail or three rail? Weaver had different serial numbers for each type.

My 2 rail engine is number 25 of 60 so it looks like there are 460 total Weaver Cincinnatian engines produced.

Swafford,
Scott Mann is in the Orient now and will be discussing passenger train projects with the builders. He is attempting to have the Columbian combined with another train such as the SP Lark to get to the minimum cars required for a run.
Typical minimum run of streamlined aluminum cars is about 1000. I believe the latest total reservation list for The Columbian is about 450 cars.

While it would seem easy to get to that 1000 quantity by producing multiple trains at the same time the offset is that builders don't want to do a high number of car variations to reach the 1000. The Columbian alone has 5 variations. As a comparison the PRR Broadway Limited had 7 variations for what will be a total run of over 1500 cars.

Don't give up on The Columbian yet.

Good Day Bob,

Thank you for the responding to my inquiry. I hope Mr. Mann can negotiate with the Builder and move forward with production of the Baltimore & Ohio "Columbian” Passenger Car Sets. This would be spectacular set to own!

Regards,
Frank Swafford

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Originally posted by rheil:

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Number 66 0f 400 two rail or three rail? Weaver had different serial numbers for each type.

My 2 rail engine is number 25 of 60 so it looks like there are 460 total Weaver Cincinnatian engines produced.

Swafford,
Scott Mann is in the Orient now and will be discussing passenger train projects with the builders. He is attempting to have the Columbian combined with another train such as the SP Lark to get to the minimum cars required for a run.
Typical minimum run of streamlined aluminum cars is about 1000. I believe the latest total reservation list for The Columbian is about 450 cars.

While it would seem easy to get to that 1000 quantity by producing multiple trains at the same time the offset is that builders don't want to do a high number of car variations to reach the 1000. The Columbian alone has 5 variations. As a comparison the PRR Broadway Limited had 7 variations for what will be a total run of over 1500 cars.

Don't give up on The Columbian yet.

I hope that these cars are produced! Thanks for the update.

YES!! It's going to be produced!!

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Fron Golden Gate Depot:

B&O COLUMBIAN (8 Car Set) - SOUTHERN PACIFIC LARK (12 Car Aluminum Set) THIS IS A GO!!!

See the announcement here: http://www.3rdrail.com/images/cat0310.pdf

CM,
Thank you for letting us know about The Columbian being a go. I was unaware of that.

The Colombian cars should go nicely behind the T3 I have also ordered even though they never made it up Philly way it is to nice a train to pass up.
John

An EMD F3 AB set or a pair of EMD E6s or E7s would also work well with these cars.

ChessieMan,
Thanks for posting the great footage. I especially appreciate the glimpse of the C&O yellow belly.
Phil

So does that mean it's time to sell the B&O 10 car K-line 84' passenger set that I just completed collecting a month or so ago to help offset the GGD cost?

That's up to you!

I just placed my order with AM Hobbies today for both sets. I still hope that one day GGD will do an Illinois Central streamlined set or the Train of Tomorrow.

Scott Mann or Rheil--

Has a delivery date been set for the B&O Columbian cars? Thanks.

CM,
It looks like next year sometime. Present order is:
- 1948 20th Century Limited
- PRR Congressional
- CP Canadian
- Lark and Columbian

More details at York. T-3 model will be on display there.

I'm thinking about modifying (expanding) my existing layout and wondering what is the minimum diameter curves for these sets?

Set B (dome, diner, combine, and observation) with one or two coaches would really make for a nice set (eight cars, even if expand my layout, is to much). Will the coaches be available seperately?

Thanks,

Jim

Jim,
There is some thought being given to making the coaches available as 2 car sets rather then 4 cars. The good news is this may help increase reservations for The Columbian as some only want a 6 car train and have been reluctant to order the 8 car train.

Conversely, some who reserved an 8 car train may cut back to 6 cars which would offset the additional 6 car train reservations. Thus we are back to the issue of lack of sufficient reservations to proceed with production.
RH

Bob, Any idea when we will get the notices for the T3s?

Thanks,

Gary

Gary,
T-3 notices sent yesterday.
Bob

What are the minimum curves required for these cars?

Jim

Thanks Bob!

Good Day,

Any news on the Golden Gate Baltimore & Ohio "Columbian” Passenger Car Sets? When are these cars going into production? 6 car or 8 car Sets?

Regards,
Swafford

Good Day,

Are these going to be produced?

Regards,
Frank

Good Day,

Are these going to be produced in 2012?

Regards,
Frank

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Are these going to be produced in 2012?

Frank,
There is no definitive answer. The project has not been scrapped nor has it been contracted to the builder yet.

Got my order in with GGD for Set B (dome, diner, combine, and observation).

I would sure love to also have 2 coaches (1/2 of Set A)!

Jim

p.s. time to sell off the 15" K-Line aluminum cars to buy more track to run this set and my SGL Reading passenger cars!

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Originally posted by jd-train:
I would sure love to also have 2 coaches (1/2 of Set A)!

I might be interested in 2 coaches from set A. I have the MTH Protosound 2.0 ABBA B&O E-8's and I am considering 2 set A's and a set B. Although maybe not a prototypical Columbian consist, I like at least a 12 cars to run with my ABBA E-8's.

Does anyone know if 2 different number sets will be made when they go into production?

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Does anyone know if 2 different number sets will be made when they go into production?

Both sets of car names will be done ie Harpers Ferry and Silver Spring for combines, Sky Dome and High Dome for dome cars, etc.

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Originally posted by rheil:
Does anyone know if 2 different number sets will be made when they go into production?

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Both sets of car names will be done ie Harpers Ferry and Silver Spring for combines, Sky Dome and High Dome for dome cars, etc.

So I am assuming that there will be two sets of the Columbian to be produced as follows:

First Consist:
1350 HARPERS FERRY Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 24 seat Coffee Shop Combination Car
5500 CONNELLSVILLE 56 Revenue seat Coach
5502 GARY 56 Revenue seat Coach
5550 HIGH DOME 42 Revenue seat Strata Dome Coach with 24 non-Revenue seats in Dome
1090 AKRON 38 seat Dining Car
5504 MARTINSBURG 56 Revenue seat Coach
5506 NEW CASTLE 56 Revenue seat Coach
3315 CHICAGO 27 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 26 seat Lounge Observation

Second consist:
1351 SILVER SPRING Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 24 seat Coffee Shop Combination Car
5501 CUMBERLAND 56 Revenue seat Coach
5503 LA PAZ 56 Revenue seat Coach
5551 SKY DOME 42 Revenue seat Strata Dome Coach with 24 non-Revenue seats in Dome
1091 PITTSBURGH 38 seat Dining Car
5505 McKEESPORT 56 Revenue seat Coach
5507 YOUNGSTOWN 56 Revenue seat Coach
3316 WASHINGTON 27 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 26 seat Lounge Observation

Seems that having two sets of car names, might make it a bit harder to add the right coaches to a set B. Still hoping that GGD opts to have a 5 or 6 car set (set B plus one or two coaches) and then offers the rest of the coaches seperately.

Seems that with two sets of car names, we will have to redo our reservation at some time?

Jim

I agree offering passenger sets of (6) cars would be fine. Then offer (2) cars sets of coaches.

Regards,
Swafford

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Posted September 27, 2011 05:59 PM
There is some thought being given to making the coaches available as 2 car sets rather then 4 cars. The good news is this may help increase reservations for The Columbian as some only want a 6 car train and have been reluctant to order the 8 car train.

Conversely, some who reserved an 8 car train may cut back to 6 cars which would offset the additional 6 car train reservations. Thus we are back to the issue of lack of sufficient reservations to proceed with production.

Guys,
I understand the desire to have set B as a 2 car set of coaches but look at the reply I made back in September. At this point it appears the only way The Columbian will be produced is if a builder agrees to combine it with another train to make a 1000 car run.

I believe a decision will be made soon as to whether to try the possibility of offering 2 coach sets and current reservations would be given that option.

As far as train names I see that the set B cars would be matched to the appropriate set A cars to the degree possible.

 

Good Day,

 

What is the status on the B&O Columbian passenger set? 2012 Delivery?

 

Regards,

Swafford

I must admit that K Line made wonderful B&O cars.  Before I could find the MTH B&O F-3 my Columbian was pulled by the Williams Bachman E7, and here it is.

I hope they do them 6 or 8 ether or is fine by me, got the engines for them ready to go, I will get the P7e also 3rd rail can count me in on that one for sure.

John

Maybe somebody’s already brought this up, but reading this thread reminded me that I haven’t seen any posts from Chessie Man in months. He was a fairly prolific poster here. Hope all is well.

A  bit blurry, since it was at speed, but here is the dome with floodlights and ice-breaker. Taken in College Park, MD circa 1965. At this time, the domes ran Baltimore-Chicago.

 

Bill