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i’ve been on the lookout for an 8209t for quite a while now, but i haven’t had any luck, so i decided to make my own. i’ve noticed a lot of those cheap plastic train sets you see around this time of year are o gauge, and tend to have tiny 4 wheeled rolling stock, most of its junk in my opinion, but the tenders looked just perfect for what i wanted. being they are so cheap, i picked up 2 different sets. A6D4270C-3B8E-4C50-8E0E-E8AEC898EB1A

naturally the couplers were wrong, the wheels were cheap, and the stickers were tacky, but it was relatively simple to make them into something decent.

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the western express tender clipped together and the tabs were glued at the bottom, however the coal load also clipped in place and had no glue. with a little coaxing i was able to pop it loose and, as i had hoped, found the tender completely hollow allowing me to work from the top. the consummate was held together with a single screw through the bottom.

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after that i set to work smoothing out the bottoms, to make room for the new coupler and draw bars to mount. all the parts i used were lionel, though i did end up using two different types of axles due to the way each tenders wheels mounted. 

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i also removed the buffers on the cars, one was made of plastic so brittle they just snapped off! i test fitted some wheels, i ended up using mpc era metal wheels and axles, one set were needle. and i did have to shorten the ends just a hair for those to work. after that i drilled my holes and bolted on the new couplers. amazingly enough, i had 2 identical couplers that were the perfect height in my parts bin, so i was able to get it all together without using any shims. 

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now i just needed to get the stickers and paint off, the stickers on the western were stubborn. i eventually soaked them in water and rubbed the paper off, following up with everclear and a cotton swab to remove the backing. the other tender was as easy as they come. as soon as i got a corner lifted, the stickers came right off. to get the gold paint off i, again used everclear, this time with q tips. interestingly, the paint was actually silver, top coated with a semi-transparent orangish color applied over it.

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reassembly was a snap of course, and the final products looks right at home with my smaller postwar and mpc locomotives. in truth, i think they look better than the 8209t and are certainly more detailed. i really wish i had a k-line porter right now! sense i don’t though, here’s the western tender with my 8300 and the other with one of my marx 198s. 

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so, that’s what i did today. i just thought i’d put it out there in case anyone else has had trouble finding small tenders to match their small steamers. for whatever reason, the slope backs just never “looked” right to me. overall i think i spent about 40$ for the 2 train sets and a pair of draw bars. they seem to work good, although i may add some weight to them.  

 

 

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third rail posted:

Very nice! Those cars could be a great start to a whole lot of kitbashing projects. 

Where did you buy the toys?

thanks everyone! the western express is available at walmart, kid connection is one of their in house brands, it’s hard to find in black though, most of them are red. i’m not sure about the other, but there’s some that use the same castings at the dollar store. i ordered them on the bay myself, i don’t get out much. 

 

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Cool.

 More "toyish" but  I recently bashed on a set very similar to the 0-6-0 set; but one with 4 cars, tank, gond,  including two coaches like those with the "American". This set was likey 10-20 years old though; a recent freebie as a young pal had cleaned out some childhood crap from storage.

  I found them to track surprisingly well with a couple of ounces added, so the cars mostly just got painted to cut down on the ultra-slick look of the plastic; which would give MPC day glow a run for the money. 

A bit small to mix with most O; but I'm not a rivet counter most days. I'd guess about S scale though.

 But for fun; I shortened the battery operated engine to be a more Porter-ish 0-4-0 and made an exploritory submarine out of the tanker. (the flat bobber is popsicle sticks with 4 non-functional journal covers[brass baby shoe eyelets for bearings])

I may try a track power conversion on the loco if I get bored enough; but as is it will run overnight with sounds on, sounds drop off with med-low batteries, but overall runs nonstop for nearly 3 days on 2 fresh AA batteries; so it's hard to complain 😁

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I really hated the way it looked as a 0-6-0; especially the wheel tucked behind the low slung cab wall/ "fender".IMG_20190808_205217~2

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Adriatic posted:

Cool.

 More "toyish" but  I recently bashed on a set very similar to the 0-6-0 set; but one with 4 cars, tank, gond,  including two coaches like those with the "American". This set was likey 10-20 years old though; a recent freebie as a young pal had cleaned out some childhood crap from storage.

  I found them to track surprisingly well with a couple of ounces added, so the cars mostly just got painted to cut down on the ultra-slick look of the plastic; which would give MPC day glow a run for the money. 

A bit small to mix with most O; but I'm not a rivet counter most days. I'd guess about S scale though.

 But for fun; I shortened the battery operated engine to be a more Porter-ish 0-4-0 and made an exploritory submarine out of the tanker. (the flat bobber is popsicle sticks with 4 non-functional journal covers[brass baby shoe eyelets for bearings])

I may try a track power conversion on the loco if I get bored enough; but as is it will run overnight with sounds on, sounds drop off with med-low batteries, but overall runs nonstop for nearly 3 days on 2 fresh AA batteries; so it's hard to complain 😁

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I really hated the way it looked as a 0-6-0; especially the wheel tucked behind the low slung cab wall/ "fender".IMG_20190808_205217~2

actually i saw those! it’s what tipped me off to the fact that these sets were o gauge, in the past i’ve bashed a few old durham sets from the 70s-80s (the locos will take a marx motor) but i had thought the newer stuff was smaller, given most of it is quite undersize. 

i love that flat btw, and thanks for the tip about the brass bearings, i may use that as the second tender has a lot of slop in the axle. i couldn’t stomach the 0-6-0 in that set, and considering all the detail was cast into the shell, i couldn’t even use it for parts, so i ended up tossing it. the 4-4-0 in the western set was actually really nice though, for a cheap battery train anyway. most of the detail was separate from the body, and the pilot truck works. it’s undersize of course, but i think it’s cute, so i kept it. 

Your welcome and welcome.

And lucky. Wallmart  near me is always out of them. And  at one time carried one that was a tad too narrow.

If you have issues with diving between the rails, try the original wheels and weight. The orig. wheels are narrow; smaller wheels tread width and sharper flange angle, this means a wider overall flange  to flange gauging adjustment is possible. 

The 4-4-0 might be closer to scale than a General. I've read the Marx 4-4-0 is actually close but still too large.

All I did was chop some length out notch the cab, and moved the rear screw for each rod/valve gear forward to the center link. Oh, and strapped some weight up front because it was a wheelie machine now.

I might try some braided copper for pickups like large slot cars used.

Adriatic posted:

Your welcome and welcome.

And lucky. Wallmart  near me is always out of them. And  at one time carried one that was a tad too narrow.

If you have issues with diving between the rails, try the original wheels and weight. The orig. wheels are narrow; smaller wheels tread width and sharper flange angle, this means a wider overall flange  to flange gauging adjustment is possible. 

The 4-4-0 might be closer to scale than a General. I've read the Marx 4-4-0 is actually close but still too large.

All I did was chop some length out notch the cab, and moved the rear screw for each rod/valve gear forward to the center link. Oh, and strapped some weight up front because it was a wheelie machine now.

I might try some braided copper for pickups like large slot cars used.

fortunately the lionel axles dropped right in, although i did trim the ends for the ones on where western because they were straining the plastic. so far i haven’t had any problems, they track about like a bobber caboose. the 4-4-0 looks nice with pw stuff, it’s about the same size as a marx 198. i’d like to put some real running gear under it, but that seems like a pita. i did convert a durham 2-4-0 to a marx motor though. 

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