Ives Passenger/Freight

Trainlover,

 

  The passenger cars and freight cars should match up... I refer to the OGR Forum Ives expert.. hojack.

 

Sunrise

I've pulled original Ives freight cars with my original Ives #3243 and there is no problem with coupler heights. I have quite a bit of Ives standard gauge and I haven't experienced any issues with the couplers not matching up.

 

Eric Hofberg

TCA, LCCA 

 

cool!! I have always like the Ives Tank Cars. They have a little classier look to them. An original 3243? pretty neat!!

 

Thanks,

 

JoeG

thanks sunrise, but there's a lot of forum members who know a LOT more about ives than i do... FWIW, my experience, limited though it be, is that Ives couplers are all the same height and there is NOT an issue comparable to Lionel's 200/500 height differences.  Also, I would say this extends as well to any Ives reproductions I have come across, Richart, Varney, MTH, etc.  

 

JoeG, your question raises an interesting point.  It made me wonder: although Ives equipment is all interchangeable in terms of coupler height, did Ives ever offer a freight set headed by the 3243?  I don't have all the Ives catalogs, but the several that I do have all show the 3243 only on passenger sets.  The freight sets are usually made up with the 1134 steamer, sometimes with the smaller 3241 or 3242. 

 

Do any of the serious Ives experts on the forum know whether Ives offered the 3243 heading a freight set in any catalog?

 

 

According to the set info on the Ives Train Society site, it came in three freight sets.

As part of Nassau's summer sale, I just bought the white repro 3243 passenger set.

Steve

 

Steve, could you post a direct link to the 'set info'?  I can't seem to find it on the ITS website.  Thanks. 

 

At York this spring, I got a 3243 white set, this one is an original set, 'restored' (repainted) by John Davanzo in the late 1960's before he started Pride Lines.  Probably not originally white, but it is now!  It's a fun set for me to have, given my interests in both Ives and MESG.

 

david

 

 

Dave

I usually have trouble remembering how to get to the set index also.

go Main Menu, then Index at the lower right, the select O, Wide etc.

 

http://www.ivestrains.org/CD/wide_gauge/loco2.html

 

 

Steve

Thanks Steve.  The Ives Society site has so much information on it, but I have trouble with it.  I think it has to do with my browser.

 

So help me out here.  Under "Locomotive No. 3243/3243R", it lists five sets with the 187-189 large passenger cars; two sets with the 180-182 passenger cars with the 6-wheel trucks; and two sets with the 241-243 Flyer-bodied passenger cars.

 

What am I missing?  Where are the freight sets with the 3243?

 

david

 

 

Dave
We're you going in under the member only section. I believe the content is otherwise limited.

Dave

My mistake, guess I was looking at the 3242. Here's the 3243, all passenger types

 

Steve

 

Set No.	Cars	Car Details	Cataloged	Engine Description
704	187,188,189		1921-1924	1st Series
704R	187,188,189		1924	1st Series
704/704R	180,181,182		1925-1927	2nd Series
706/706R	187, 189		1925	2nd Series
706/706R	187,189		1926-1927	2nd Series
1046/1046R	187,188,189		1928	3rd Series
1044/1044R	180,181,182		1928	3rd Series
1052/1052R	241,242,243		1928	3rd Series
1064/1064R	241,242,242,243		1928	3rd Series

 

 

   Good topic, I love it when people discuss IVES!

 

   First, the coupler question...

 

   For the most part, a 3243 will mate with most cars. The exception to this is the late "transition" era rolling stock.

 

   In 1928 we all know the story, IVES used AF bodied freights, and the snake track pull coupler was introduced. The 1928 freights use high trucks, but after 28' you can run into problems. The 3243 is a tall loco, and will lift the front wheel set of a late car off the track. In 29-30 the freights used the low 4 wheel truck from the 184 series passenger cars. This is not true for the remaining "all IVES" bodied cars. 

 

  The 1928 and newer passenger cars also use low trucks. So they will pose an issue occasionally. The six wheel truck is not as low as the late 4 wheel job.

 

  As far as a 3243 freight set goes. It never "officially" existed. However, we have found a box that once contained a 3243 with 3 freight cars. It is a "cloud" box which would put it 1921-24.