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I took this picture a few years ago trying to learn night photography.  My flash lit up the reflective paint so much that the rest of the scene didn't come out.  I was amazed at the result.

 

 

What I'm curious about.  I don't model the modern era, so I don't have any engines for comparison.  

 

I don't know if models have reflective paint like the prototypes.  In daylight you would never know that the logo on the engine above is reflective.  But at night with the proper lighting it's amazing.

 

I would think that if models had reflective paint like the prototype, the effect on a layout would be spectacular.  Other railroads use the paint here and there, it isn't just UP.

 

Is it possible? 

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I don't believe any of the models use the reflective paint due to the application process.  I'm not sure, but I think they reflective image on the real engine is a decal application that probably wouldn't transfer to super small details on an O Gauge model very well.  

 

Could it be done?  Oh yes!  But it would be more likely on one of those $2k Big Boy engines rather than a $400 Diesel.  Not to mention I think you have to be behind the light source to have the image reflect as it does in the picture maybe.  

The real locos have 3M or a similar brand reflective decal....it's not paint. 

To do it in scale, as stated, would be costly IF it could be done correctly.  I bought a small roll of 3M white reflective tape to use in O scale. It was the thinnest type they make....it still was very stiff and way too thick for a model. 3M might be able to make some that is thin enough but it would be a custom product.....making it even more expensive. 

Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:

I've played around with reflective tape.  You can find very thin materials.

Atlas O GP15-1

 

 

As I said I bought the thinnest #m has......and it works well on a flat smooth surface. But getting it to work over a hood area on a diesel......over doors, hinges and latches would be another thing.....add color a design, like that flag, and it's tough.

The real railroads cut around doors, louvers,handles.  I think it would not be hard at all.  On the material I had, I printed on it and it still held its reflective qualities.  This stuff was almost as thin as a decal. Yea you might have bought 3M's greatest, but their are many other manufacturers.
 
Originally Posted by AMCDave:
Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:

I've played around with reflective tape.  You can find very thin materials.

Atlas O GP15-1

 

 

As I said I bought the thinnest #m has......and it works well on a flat smooth surface. But getting it to work over a hood area on a diesel......over doors, hinges and latches would be another thing.....add color a design, like that flag, and it's tough.

 

Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:
The real railroads cut around doors, louvers,handles.  I think it would not be hard at all.  On the material I had, I printed on it and it still held its reflective qualities.  This stuff was almost as thin as a decal. Yea you might have bought 3M's greatest, but their are many other manufacturers.
 

Well.....then there is only one way to find out if it can be done.......get a quote for some scale versions printed!!!! If you can get them in the range of something affordable I am sure you can sell them. Hit me offline for the name of the two companies that do all my decal printing....they both do first class work!!

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Dave, why are you getting so defensive?  "Marker" asked if it was possible and I believe it is.  I don't need to use someone else for my decals, I can make my own.  Life's too short to be an angry model railroader.
 
Patrick
 
 
Originally Posted by AMCDave:
Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:
The real railroads cut around doors, louvers,handles.  I think it would not be hard at all.  On the material I had, I printed on it and it still held its reflective qualities.  This stuff was almost as thin as a decal. Yea you might have bought 3M's greatest, but their are many other manufacturers.
 

Well.....then there is only one way to find out if it can be done.......get a quote for some scale versions printed!!!! If you can get them in the range of something affordable I am sure you can sell them. Hit me offline for the name of the two companies that do all my decal printing....they both do first class work!!

 

Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:
Dave, why are you getting so defensive?  "Marker" asked if it was possible and I believe it is.  I don't need to use someone else for my decals, I can make my own.  Life's too short to be an angry model railroader.
 
Patrick
 

 

Not being defensive at all......but I THINK I am the only person that works in the decal business......have a REAL good idea of what is involved to make something like this (as stated I've bought 3M products trying to make scale refelctive decals) and folks just want to say 'it can be done'......so I throw up the 'then do it' challenge.  Like the hobby of plastic models where I do some work.....folks all the time ask 'why no model of a 1977 Buick 4 door like my grandma had??'. I answer 'can't be done and make a profit'. Then 99% of the time they say I don't know what I am talking about.....so I challenge them....$750,000 and I will have that model made for you. No investors yet to the 100's of challenges. Talk all day about how 'things should be done'.....but it's just talk. Throw some money at it and suddenly folks back away from their beliefs.  Just keeping things real and not living in a fantasy dream land where all our wishes come true with out and work, time or money. Thanks

 

PS the offer stands......I will help anyone that wants to attempt this project...

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Dave,
But why does it need to be a decal?  This is something that can be printed on the reflective material, cut on a vinyl cutting machine and placed on the model.  Just make sure you get the placement right lol.  This is something I will do for my "Conrail Quality" nose lettering when I get to that point in my modeling. Just like applying vinyl lettering on a 1:1 surface.  
 
 
Originally Posted by AMCDave:
Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:
Dave, why are you getting so defensive?  "Marker" asked if it was possible and I believe it is.  I don't need to use someone else for my decals, I can make my own.  Life's too short to be an angry model railroader.
 
Patrick
 

 

Not being defensive at all......but I THINK I am the only person that works in the decal business......have a REAL good idea of what is involved to make something like this (as stated I've bought 3M products trying to make scale refelctive decals) and folks just want to say 'it can be done'......so I throw up the 'then do it' challenge.  Like the hobby of plastic models where I do some work.....folks all the time ask 'why no model of a 1977 Buick 4 door like my grandma had??'. I answer 'can't be done and make a profit'. Then 99% of the time they say I don't know what I am talking about.....so I challenge them....$750,000 and I will have that model made for you. No investors yet to the 100's of challenges. Talk all day about how 'things should be done'.....but it's just talk. Throw some money at it and suddenly folks back away from their beliefs.  Just keeping things real and not living in a fantasy dream land where all our wishes come true with out and work, time or money. Thanks

 

PS the offer stands......I will help anyone that wants to attempt this project...

 

Originally Posted by Proto48Patrick:
Dave,
But why does it need to be a decal?  This is something that can be printed on the reflective material, cut on a vinyl cutting machine and placed on the model.  Just make sure you get the placement right lol.  This is something I will do for my "Conrail Quality" nose lettering when I get to that point in my modeling. Just like applying vinyl lettering on a 1:1 surface.  
 
 

 

 

Call it what you want. But both decal printers I work with call water slide wet decals and self adhesive 'peel and stick' stickers decals. And you are correct the classic definition of 'decal' is the paper printed water activated version....but today many call them all 'decals'. 

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