K Line Train Master

Contrary to what is printed on the box, it is PROPERLY named a Train Master.

This appears to be your locomotive: http://www.legacykline.com/app...oem_sku=K2438-0857CC

That appears to be pre-Lionel.

Contrary to what some people say, it's really not that important if you say Trainmaster or Train Master.   You were looking for information on the locomotive, right?  You weren't really hear for a grammar lesson I would imagine.

I would suggest you check out the Legacy K-Line website. Loads of info there.  I mean Here: http://www.legacykline.com/apps/kl/catalog.html

You can obtain some good information about the TRAIN MASTER and other K-Line with this link:  http://www.legacykline.com/app...mp;p_keyword=welcome  

I have a K-Line TRAIN MASTER in the Southern Pacific "Black Widow" livery.  It has Lionel RailSounds, TMCC, smoke and electro-couplers.  It originally came out in K-Line's 2005 catalog.  It retailed for $299.95.  I love this TRAIN MASTER.   Matt

gunrunnerjohn posted:

  You weren't really hear for a grammar lesson I would imagine.

Intentional or not, that was funny!

Tom weaver posted:

Purchased one of these K-line Train Master and was looking for some information.

...  Was this Pre Lionel

...

Thanks for any info!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

This appears to be your locomotive: http://www.legacykline.com/app...oem_sku=K2438-0857CC

That appears to be pre-Lionel.

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Hhmmm.....  I'm a bit confused about the term "pre-Lionel" as you're using it here.    I had the SP, Virginian and Pennsy FM's at one point -- all of which I purchased w/TMCC.  Very nice models as you'd expect from K-line produced in the mid-2000's.

The link in GRJ's post is a good one for info about K-line products back in their heyday.

David

Lionel never made the K-line Trainmaster/Train Master. I have a bunch of them. K-line raised the bar when they made them. If you were a K-line member you could buy the non TMCC version for $100. Great locomotive. This is one of mine running on the kitchen line. It's a very short line. Oh, one other thing. Is it Hot Water or Hotwater. We all want to be PROPER. Don

I think I "get" what you mean by pre-Lionel now... i.e., prior to Lionel offering "K-Line by Lionel" branded products.  If so, then yes... those FM's were definitely native K-Line branded products -- not K-Line by Lionel.

David

It takes smoke fluid.  It is a fan driven smoke unit.  A very nice model.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Contrary to what some people say, it's really not that important if you say Trainmaster or Train Master.   You were looking for information on the locomotive, right?  You weren't really hear for a grammar lesson I would imagine.

Using the correct and proper name for something is not a "grammar lesson." It is a piece of continuing education in calling something by its correct and proper name.

GunrunnerJohn, how would you feel if people started calling you "GunrunnerJoe?" Yes, people would probably still know who you were, but it's not your correct and proper name.

I have said it before and I'll repeat it here:

A Trainmaster is a middle management company officer at a railroad.

A Train Master is a 2,400 hp diesel locomotive manufactured by Fairbanks Morse in the 1950s.

The two are not the same.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Contrary to what some people say, it's really not that important if you say Trainmaster or Train Master.   You were looking for information on the locomotive, right?  You weren't really hear for a grammar lesson I would imagine.

Rich Melvin posted:

Using the correct and proper name for something is not a "grammar lesson."
 It is a piece of continuing education in calling something by its correct and proper name.

GunrunnerJohn, how would you feel if people started calling you "GunrunnerJoe?"
Yes, people would probably still know who you were, but it's not your correct and proper name.

OR it could be worse!  We could be calling John ... CottoneyeJoe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDy8HEg1QY

At one point I had Both K-line Train Masters: the TMCC #8707 and the 

Conventional #8701. My original plan was to buy another #8707 TMCC version and swap the shells for the #8701 getting two TMCC train Masters with a decent price and different raod numbers...

But along came the MTH version with the best detailed Train Masters ever for the PRR so off to the Auction my K-line Train Masters went.

These K-line versions are 6 wheeled drive Stump pullers for sure!

A couple years ago purchased a Legacy Wabash Train Master advertised to operate on O31 track. In reality it would barely operate on O36 so sent it to Lionel and they refunded my money. Always wondered how Lionel changed the K-Line tooling so a once O31 loco became a O36.

Just call it an H-24-66.

K-Line never made a locomotive that takes smoke pellets, those pellets were made to be used in postwar Lionel steam locomotives.

The K-Line H-24-66s were great locomotives. I have a Virginian.

scale rail posted:

Lionel never made the K-line Trainmaster/Train Master. I have a bunch of them. K-line raised the bar when they made them. If you were a K-line member you could buy the non TMCC version for $100. Great locomotive.

I suspect this is one of the reasons that K-Line didn't make it.  It seems while they made a great product, they failed to make sufficient profit to stay in business.

I believe the K Line TM was first introduced in their annual K Line club

Frisco Chris 1522 posted:

Just call it an H-24-66.

K-Line never made a locomotive that takes smoke pellets, those pellets were made to be used in postwar Lionel steam locomotives.

The K-Line H-24-66s were great locomotives. I have a Virginian.

Ok I now have 2 bottles of K-line smoke pellets So today is not a loss I learned something!!

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

I think I "get" what you mean by pre-Lionel now... i.e., prior to Lionel offering "K-Line by Lionel" branded products.  If so, then yes... those FM's were definitely native K-Line branded products -- not K-Line by Lionel.

David

Unless this model was never produced Lionel did catalog a “K-Line by Lionel” branded FM Train Master.  Attached is a scan of the front cover of the Volume 1 K-Line by Lionel Volume Catalog.  The description on page 10 of the catalog identifies it as “NEW #6-22281 Southern Scale Trainmaster Diesel with TMCC & Railsounds $419.99” (note: the two words Train Master incorrectly spelled as one word).   

In fact they cataloged this same engine at least twice as this same engine was also shown on pages 12 & 13 of the 2008 Volume 1 K-Line by Lionel Catalog.  The description was almost identical and even including the word “NEW”.  The only difference was that they left out the word “Diesel”.   Perhaps these engines were intended for 2008 production but didn’t make it until 2009, if at all.  Does anyone on here have one of these to prove that they exist? 

BTW, we still haven’t answered Tom’s question of what year his Lackawanna FM was produced?  Does anyone have the KCC Catalog in which it was offered?  That would identify the year.  I have many of those KCC catalogs and not sure I have that one but they’re in a box under the layout and not very accessible.  Bill

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

At one point I had Both K-line Train Masters: the TMCC #8707 and the 

Conventional #8701. My original plan was to buy another #8707 TMCC version and swap the shells for the #8701 getting two TMCC train Masters with a decent price and different raod numbers...

But along came the MTH version with the best detailed Train Masters ever for the PRR so off to the Auction my K-line Train Masters went.

These K-line versions are 6 wheeled drive Stump pullers for sure!

You said your #8701 was conventional and your #8707 was TMCC but your #8707 box is labeled “conventional”.  Did they make each of those two numbers both ways because I have the #8701 with TMCC?.  I bought it brand new in York in 2005 and the box is labeled TMCC. 

I’ve been very happy with it.  As you say these are real stump pullers.  I have it pulling a string of 24 mixed manufacturer freight cars including some post-war with those old high-friction trucks. 

Bill

WFTtrains, I should have known that. I have all the K-line catalogs. Still not sure if Lionel made the engine. Anyone have one?  Don

I have this one, nice running locomotive: K2480-8701CC PRR Trainmaster w/Lionel RailSounds, TMCC, Smoke & Electrocouplers

Too lazy to dig it out, so I'll use the web picture.

My awesomely massive K Line Train Monster is the Lackawanna variety with conventional operation only.   I got her used without the instruction sheet.   Didn't run quite right, and for no apparent reason.   Ripped out the old guts and replaced with QSI motherboard.  Runs great now, especially after wiring in series.  Currently looking to reinstall sound in  this chooch.  Why K Line built this phase 1  T'Monster with a dipped railing on one side and a straight one on the other is way over my head.  With 12 wheel drive they should pull the paint off the wall !

I have the K-Line TMCC Train Master in Lackawanna colors... I love it! I've never had it hesitate in pulling a load, and I run 20+ car freights.

Jan

I too had the Pennsy version #8701.  These were probably the best mass produced 3R Train Master's until.

That is until MTH retooled for their Premier new Train Master's.

Note that these have prototypically correct pilot deck heights.

Love that K-line 2008 catalog - with the thrown traction tire displayed. 

I think I 2-railed five of them.  Two were shortened and painted CNW.  Six axle drive - perfect for 2-rail.  I don't do plastic, but at a hundred bucks . . .

Wfttrains. My bad. I had a feeling that I was going to confuse the numbers. Ok so it's the #8701 that is the TMCC version and the #8707 that is conventional. As far as I am aware, K-Line did not do two road numbers per version, there was only one number for the TMCC version and another for the conventional version.

Looking at the Century Club TM Demonstrators ...

they look to be the K-Line body molds ... correct ?

@ns1001 posted:

A couple years ago purchased a Legacy Wabash Train Master advertised to operate on O31 track. In reality it would barely operate on O36 so sent it to Lionel and they refunded my money. Always wondered how Lionel changed the K-Line tooling so a once O31 loco became a O36.

That is different tooling. The Legacy Train Master used the tooling Lionel developed for their Century Club Fairbanks Morse Demonstrator units.

The Lackawanna FM first appeared in 2003 First Edition Catalog, KCC perk at $100.00