Legacy Engine Troubles

If you're getting one blink, it's a drive motor issue.  Make sure the drive motors and trucks have no binding.

No binding at all John.

This is the second Radio Board I've tried......thought the first might have been bad.

With the second Radio Board installed......I still get blinking lights.  Steady blinks..on off on off........however, with this board I get idle sounds.

Thanks

Dave

Well, it could be the motor driver DCDS board.  Are you using the correct resets for this locomotive?  I happen to have that exact locomotive, and it has needed a reset a couple of times.

If your locomotive is unresponsive to your commands in the TrainMaster Command Control environment, we recommend that you follow this procedure to reset your locomotive.

1. Slide the Command reverse unit switch to the PGM position.
2. Plug in and connect your Command Base.
3. Place your locomotive on the track, then power up the track.
4. Press ENG and enter the locomotive’s ID#.
5. Press SET.
6. Press ENG and enter the locomotive’s ID# again.
7. Press AUX1.
8. Enter 2 for this particular locomotive.
9. Turn off track power and wait ten seconds.
10. Slide the Command reverse unit switch back to the RUN position.

At this point, your locomotive has been reset. Restore power to the track and operate the locomotive as usual. Be sure to use the ID# entered in Step 4.

I am not a Legacy/TMCC Technician, but, I would ask if it's under warranty, and secondly, have you called Lionel? If the engines are defective, Lionel will authorize a Return Authorization, RA.  Also, do you have a local Lionel Authorized Service Station?  I have a great relationship with the Lionel Customer Service Department and this sounds like a reason to give them a call. Thats my 2 cents worth. 

Gunrunner is also a great authority on fixing problem engines. His diagnosis is usually right on Target.  Good Luck.

No joy John.

When I apply power to the track....in Program or Run.....the engine in about 5 seconds begins idle sounds.

Blinking lights still on.

No movement, no bell, no horn ect...........justs sits there........

Thanks

Dave

Thanks Larry

North of the 49th......everything goes to NC.

Engines are way out of warranty.

I only have 2 Legacy engines left and both of these have over their lifetime visited the Lionel Service Centre in Ohio.

They may be due for a visit to NC but I sure try to do everything I can first.

Shipping alone from here is $55 CND one way with insurance.

I have to say that my luck with Legacy has not been good.

TMCC may not have the bells and whistles that legacy has but they are just about bullet proof.

For these reasons, I have been enjoying the simplicity of TMCC and their dependability.

Thanks

Dave

Did you buy these new?

Larry, don't sell yourself short.  Your opinion is worth a lot.

what blinking are you getting?

Number of Blinks Diagnostic Code Description

1 Main drive motor stalled.

2 Smoke 1 element problem.

3 Smoke 1 fan problem.

Yes Marty

Engines bought new and parts bought new this month from Lionel.

Given the symtoms I described Marty........as a layman here.

I'm using a new radio board.....must have power so I assume the power board is good....sounds so the audio sound is okay.....only thing left as John thought....motor driver.  I took it out tonight and had a look.  All connections are in place and look good.  Do you think that might be it?

Thanks

Dave

Big

I have the shell off so the only lights are the cab/number boards.

They just blink on/off/on/off/on/off  ect.

Thanks

Dave

Did you try running in conventional. Remove the R4LC, do the lights stop flashing. Possible loss of serial and or 5vDC supply.

Bill

Thanks Bill

R4LC removed.

Engine powered up on track.

Again, without addressing engine, engine sounds come on BUT no flashing lights this time.

No movement or options ect as before........

Dave

As well......will not run in conventional.

Same behaviour as soon as power is applied......sounds and blinking lights.

With R4LC in.

Dave

I would pull the Leoco and Molex plugs from your DCDS-J and reinstall them.  Next, pull the plug from the motor sensor that connects to the DCDS-J and reinstall it.

Thanks Marty

I did pull all the plugs to the bare board earlier last night on the DCDS.

Once back together.....same issues.

Would you be willing to test these boards for me if I sent them all to you?

I'd be happy to pay you for your service.

Thanks

Dave

can you turn the top of the motor?

Dave, if you have sound, that takes care of two boards.  If you have a new R4, that is the other.  I would be happy to put them in my board tester for you.  Hit my email to converse.

Thanks Big

Rotating the flywheel on each motor easily turns the wheels, so no binding of any sort.

Dave

Thanks Marty

Will discuss with you off line.

Dave