@GG1 4877 posted:It's always a possibility. Remind me of the consist of that train. I seem to recall it was a mixture of heavyweight and streamlined cars from photos I've seen.
How does this work: https://www.brasstrains.com/cl...nger-Set-Some-Issues
@kanawha do you know of any good references for the GW??
Gary from Michigan & I hope to see you our rail-fanning. 🚂
@Trainbros89 posted:How does this work: https://www.brasstrains.com/cl...nger-Set-Some-Issues
Thanks! That does help. The set doesn't appear too far off from the plastic tooled GGD cars. Not sure what Pullman Standard floor plans the sleepers are based on for the George Washington, but your link certainly gives a great starting point.
@Trainbros89 posted:@kanawha do you know of any good references for the GW??
For the heavyweight era, the C&O Historical Society book, The George Washington, The Most Wonderful Train In The World 1932-1950. Expensive book at $75 but it has more info on the GW in one place than I've ever seen. The "Most Wonderful Train In The World" is just advertising hyperbole from the 1930's. Nice train, but most wonderful is a big stretch.
Ken
@GG1 4877 posted:Thanks! That does help. The set doesn't appear too far off from the plastic tooled GGD cars. Not sure what Pullman Standard floor plans the sleepers are based on for the George Washington, but your link certainly gives a great starting point.
Does that mean I have permission to harass Scott to offer them? 😁
@kanawha posted:For the heavyweight era, the C&O Historical Society book, The George Washington, The Most Wonderful Train In The World 1932-1950. Expensive book at $75 but it has more info on the GW in one place than I've ever seen. The "Most Wonderful Train In The World" is just advertising hyperbole from the 1930's. Nice train, but most wonderful is a big stretch.
Ken
Thank you good sir! I’ll be at the meeting Saturday
@GG1 4877 posted:Thanks! That does help. The set doesn't appear too far off from the plastic tooled GGD cars. Not sure what Pullman Standard floor plans the sleepers are based on for the George Washington, but your link certainly gives a great starting point.
The HO set shown in the brasstrains.com link is the most accurate heavyweight GW consist produced in any scale to date. I can quibble with some of the lettering but the cars themselves are great. As far as adapting GGD cars or any other manufacturer's cars for the consist:
A 1950's lightweight version of the GW would consist of:
I've built a number of the lightweight cars from kits. I can post pictures later if any one is interested. This already has been more information than most OGR readers would care about.
Ken
Lionel C&O 2-10-4 Steam locomotive.
Atlas Trainman RSD4 MUed with MTH switcher with ERR.
@kanawha posted:The HO set shown in the brasstrains.com link is the most accurate heavyweight GW consist produced in any scale to date. I can quibble with some of the lettering but the cars themselves are great. As far as adapting GGD cars or any other manufacturer's cars for the consist:
- Full RPO - Atlas 60 ft RPO is perfect
- Combine - GGD is closest but I believe it has too many windows and the baggage door is too wide
- Coach - Needs to have non-paired windows. GGD coach has paired windows. Also needs to be lettered Imperial Salon (more advertising hyperbole). Closest is the old K-Line coach but its 18" long where it needs to be 20" long.
- Diner - The GGD diner is close. Need eliminate the small window on the aisle side of the car. Windows for the kitchen are wrong. Also the GW diner does not have an access door for the kitchen.
- Sleepers - the GGD sleepers are fine. Just need the correct car name. I have lettered a couple of my GGD sleepers for the GW.
- Observation - This is the toughest car to replicate. The GW car is a Pullman Plan 4020 or 4024 8 section, buffet, lounge, observation. The observation part is also a stretch as it had a fake 14" wide observation platform, not an observation platform that was actually usable. The only company that has ever made an O scale version was American Standard back in the late 80's and its a kit. I have one and am struggling to put it together. The GGD observation car isn't even close.
A 1950's lightweight version of the GW would consist of:
- RPO - Again the heavyweight Atlas 60 ft RPO
- Coaches - Pullman Standard 52 seat coach with fluting below the windows only. These same cars are part of the GGD proposed Rio Grande Prospector set.
- Diner - The GGD heavyweight diner. The C&O didn't use lightweight diners until they converted some cars to diners in the early 60's.
- Sleepers - P-S 10-6 sleeper with fluting below the windows only. This car is part of the GGD B&O Capitol Limited set.
- Flat end observation - P-S 5 double bedroom/lounge/observation. This car is also part of the GGD B&O Capitol Limited set.
I've built a number of the lightweight cars from kits. I can post pictures later if any one is interested. This already has been more information than most OGR readers would care about.
Ken
Thank you Ken! I think that GGD has the opportunity to make this awesome set, or honestly... just single cars. I assume the set would be easier/make more sense
Just a few here.
Pete
@Trainbros89 posted:Thank you Ken! I think that GGD has the opportunity to make this awesome set, or honestly... just single cars. I assume the set would be easier/make more sense
To do the set accurately in the numbers that it would likely sell would make it a brass project. If there was willingness to compromise the existing plastic tooling could make a very close replica of the train, but admittedly it would not be completely accurate. For me personally, I really like the GGD plastic tooling even if many of the roads I have cars in aren't completely accurate. Outside of Walther's kits or higher end brass, you just can't find a decent 20" heavyweight outside of the GGD plastic ones. I have these cars now in PRR, C&O, CP, CBQ, UP, B&O, Erie, Lackawanna, NH, Pullman, NYC, and a few others I'm probably forgetting, but for the quality of the car I enjoy them regardless. I also find reworking and repainting plastic cars a little easier than aluminum or brass.
On the streamlined side, a PS set in aluminum would probably make more sense as the tooling is substantially cheaper. The 1950's PS coaches and 10-6s are pretty easy to do compared to a heavyweight car with specific window and rivet patterns. It's the same issue I have found in trying to model CNJ passenger cars accurately. Finding non-paired windows is quite the challenge in not just O scale, but in any scale.
Here's a brand new conventional Atlas RSD 7\15 in the C&O colors. Pulling some freight and backed up by an Atlas made for Peterson Supply caboose. It's my first brand new engine and Atlas consist.
@GG1 4877 posted:To do the set accurately in the numbers that it would likely sell would make it a brass project. If there was willingness to compromise the existing plastic tooling could make a very close replica of the train, but admittedly it would not be completely accurate. For me personally, I really like the GGD plastic tooling even if many of the roads I have cars in aren't completely accurate. Outside of Walther's kits or higher end brass, you just can't find a decent 20" heavyweight outside of the GGD plastic ones. I have these cars now in PRR, C&O, CP, CBQ, UP, B&O, Erie, Lackawanna, NH, Pullman, NYC, and a few others I'm probably forgetting, but for the quality of the car I enjoy them regardless. I also find reworking and repainting plastic cars a little easier than aluminum or brass.
On the streamlined side, a PS set in aluminum would probably make more sense as the tooling is substantially cheaper. The 1950's PS coaches and 10-6s are pretty easy to do compared to a heavyweight car with specific window and rivet patterns. It's the same issue I have found in trying to model CNJ passenger cars accurately. Finding non-paired windows is quite the challenge in not just O scale, but in any scale.
I would be a buyer, regardless of how they were made/offered !
New Atlas Trainman line C&O Magor caboose.
Thanks @Beth Marshall-The Public Delivery Track!
I’d really like to get one of these in the red with white lettering scheme.
I only have a few and it looks like others have posted the flat car and the caboose.
@Lehigh74 posted:I only have a few and it looks like others have posted the flat car and the caboose.
Sharp looking sir. You're really lucky to " only have a few " Bob . 
I have a beautiful ps3 RK C&O Allegheny ............but.........alas......the boards are toast. 
( it's my only C&O locomotive )
This is the very first Lionel engine I was finally able to afford way back in early 1977 when I was financially well off enough to get back into toy and model trains. This die cast C&O 4-4-2 Atlantic steam locomotive cost me the princely sum of $43.33 from the long gone Bill’s Train Shop located on Black Horse Pike in Turnersville, New Jersey. Amazingly, the incredibly realistic Mighty Sound of Steam and electronic whistle still work.
@GG1 4877 posted:On the streamlined side, a PS set in aluminum would probably make more sense as the tooling is substantially cheaper. The 1950's PS coaches and 10-6s are pretty easy to do compared to a heavyweight car with specific window and rivet patterns.
Since no manufacturer makes the streamlined C&O Pullman-Standard cars in a scale length, I've put together a reasonable consist of actual lightweight and heavyweight cars to make a representative C&O train.
This is a stock Atlas RPO:
Modified a Lionel baggage car changed into a standard C&O Express car. I had Union Station Products cut the modernized doors for me. I have three of these as they were very common on most C&O passenger trains.
American Lightweight Car Co. combine kit. The C&O only had one of these and sold it in the mid 50's.
American Lightweight Car Co. 52 seat coach with Union Station Products car sides. The USP car sides have very detailed skirting.
GGD diner representing a standard C&O diner of the 1950's. Closed in the window on the far left making this side of the car fairly accurate.
American Lightweight Car Co. 10-6 sleeper kit. Used the ALW car sides so no skirting between the trucks.
American Lightweight Car Co. 11 Double Bedroom sleeper kit.
ALW kit with USP car sides making a 5 Double Bedroom/Buffet/Lounge Observation car. These were converted to Diner/Dormitory cars in the early 60's and the old heavyweight diners retired.
The kits take a long time and a lot of patience to build. I have another 11 DBR kit that has progressed to being primed. Have to wait until the weather warms up for the final paint job.
The most common lightweight cars on the C&O were the coaches and 10-6 sleepers and my consist needs another of each. I have one of the 10-6 sleepers from the GGD B&O Capitol Limited set on order that I'm going to repaint to C&O. I'll probably order a coach from the Prospector set to repaint once that set gets closer to production.
Ken
@kanawha posted:Since no manufacturer makes the streamlined C&O Pullman-Standard cars in a scale length, I've put together a reasonable consist of actual lightweight and heavyweight cars to make a representative C&O train.
This is a stock Atlas RPO:
Modified a Lionel baggage car changed into a standard C&O Express car. I had Union Station Products cut the modernized doors for me. I have three of these as they were very common on most C&O passenger trains.
American Lightweight Car Co. combine kit. The C&O only had one of these and sold it in the mid 50's.
American Lightweight Car Co. 52 seat coach with Union Station Products car sides. The USP car sides have very detailed skirting.
GGD diner representing a standard C&O diner of the 1950's. Closed in the window on the far left making this side of the car fairly accurate.
American Lightweight Car Co. 10-6 sleeper kit. Used the ALW car sides so no skirting between the trucks.
American Lightweight Car Co. 11 Double Bedroom sleeper kit.
ALW kit with USP car sides making a 5 Double Bedroom/Buffet/Lounge Observation car. These were converted to Diner/Dormitory cars in the early 60's and the old heavyweight diners retired.
The kits take a long time and a lot of patience to build. I have another 11 DBR kit that has progressed to being primed. Have to wait until the weather warms up for the final paint job.
The most common lightweight cars on the C&O were the coaches and 10-6 sleepers and my consist needs another of each. I have one of the 10-6 sleepers from the GGD B&O Capitol Limited set on order that I'm going to repaint to C&O. I'll probably order a coach from the Prospector set to repaint once that set gets closer to production.
Ken
I love them all
Here are a couple of my C&O freight cars. All Lionel : #6219 from 1960; # 9016 from 1975-1979,1987-1989, & 1989u ; #9167 from 1974-1976.
@Don McErlean posted:Here are a couple of my C&O freight cars. All Lionel : #6219 from 1960; # 9016 from 1975-1979,1987-1989, & 1989u ; #9167 from 1974-1976.
Don - we’re gonna hafta ask the judges if you can sneak a B&O/Chessie Hopper in under the guidelines!😜😜😜
@Mark V. Spadaro- OOOOPS! You know I didn't notice that I guess I was just focused on the color 
Don
This Chessie Steam set is one of the first sets I got when I started back into trains. It's TMCC and maybe 15 - 20 yrs ago.
Well after my "goof" with the yellow gondola, I was more careful this time and have my last few C&O cars. A Lionel (MPC) #9740 from 1974-75 and a Lionel (LTI) # 16232 from 1992,93u,1994,95u.
Leaving Lionel, I have the Marx 7" C&O gondola from the 1950's.
Best Wishes
Don
PW Lionel 624 C & O from 52-54 quiet runner and nice power.
@Trainbros89 posted:
Nice video along with the weathering on your hoppers.
Mark
Where to start - this is my main road name. I'm not even showing my M1 Steam Turbine and Yellow Belly...
C&O Passenger:
C&O Freight:
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