Lionel DD35A

First impression: Looks nice, but what's up with the front handrails? They go right across the front steps on the engineers side. Is this normal?

Also, kinda odd that only 2 of the 4 axles are driven on each truck.

The very first DD's were done this way and later modified ...

Thanks Matt !!!!


Doug

Noticed an oops in the manual. The manual text says add fluid to each exhaust stack, the picture says either stack (implying they share reservoirs). Wonder how long before someone burns one up think the fluid is shared

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Originally posted by SB..:
First impression: Looks nice, but what's up with the front handrails? They go right across the front steps on the engineers side. Is this normal?

Ooops

I see the handrail your talking about now on the manual compared to the prototype. Humm wonder what the deal is there? maybe the milwaukee had a different set-up. will be interesting to see

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maybe the milwaukee had a different set-up. will be interesting to see

Albert j Powers

The Milwaukee Road never had any DD35A units. Only the Union Pacific ever had DD35A and DDA40X units.

Jim noticed and pointed out to me the manual the handrails leads to the stairs on the brakeman's side

Obviously a minor graphic error in the manual. I wouldn't expect the models to come out with front hand railings that are incorrect.

Hotwater, do you know if roof beacon lights were prototypical on these? I really was hoping for one on these models.

I don't recall if the DD35A units had roof-top beacons, when delivered.

Ok, thanks! For some reason i thought i saw one in one of the pictures i came across in the past.

Just to be technical, UP on most engines didn't use a true rotary beacon. They had a Stratolight. They were 4 bulbs mounted in a amber case 90 degrees from each other and flashed in a clockwise motion.

Chuck, thanks for this info. The DDA40Xs seem to have them so i guess i just figured that the DD35As would.

At some point during their service the lights were added.

http://www.railpictures.net/vi...php?id=381527&nseq=0

http://www.railpictures.net/vi....php?id=60794&nseq=1

Thanks for the find Gerry.

Who ever is the first one to get there's maybe you will be kind enough to share your thoughts with us and maybe even a picture.

Matt, I found this concerning the lights.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/...delers/message/12094

Matthew,

Just looked at some builder photos of a DD35A, at the EMD McCook factory, and there is no cab roof mounted beacon light. But then the unit isn't lettered either because that was the era (early thru late 1960s) that UP got their diesel locomotives delivered dead in tow to the Omaha Shops. The UP Omaha Shops then "out fitted" each new unit, including application of the 3M Scotch Light lettering on the carbody. Reportedly, there was a UP board of director member from 3M, so the UP was getting "a deal" on all the 3M lettering & numbering, instead of having it all applied at the EMD factory. Even the DDA40X units where delivered unlettered.

Apparently UP added roof top beacons in the 1970s?

So, it depends on what era you are trying to model. Me, I'm in early to mid 1950s, so maybe an FM Train Master demo for me.

I see in Gerry first pix the engine has the beacon, but the rear truck sandboxes have not been added yet.

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maybe the milwaukee had a different set-up. will be interesting to see

Albert j Powers

The Milwaukee Road never had any DD35A units. Only the Union Pacific ever had DD35A and DDA40X units

I had a feeling they were'nt made I guess I was trying to convince myself they were since I liked the milwaukee scheme. oh well u.p it is then but I may also grab the milwaukee since its appealing to me.
Thx hotwater I can always count on you to get it straight.

So it's got early style front railings, but late beacon light?

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Originally posted by SB..:
So it's got early style front railings, but late beacon light?

You really can't be sure untill you see the actual Lionel model locomotive. Do NOT go by the art work from the manual, or the photos in the catalog! WAIT FOR THE MODEL!

Good point hotwater....who will be the first to receive there's..lol

Ok Gentlemen...............who is going to be first to post pictures of the UP DD35A?


Regards,
Frank

I would if it gets here

Here's an April '65 shot of DD35A UP 71. Note handrail, lack of beacon and external sandboxes:



As noted above, whether or not these are "correct" will depend on the era you are modeling apparently.

You're welcome! Can't wait to see them when they get here.

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Originally posted by trnluvr:
Thanks Matt !!!!


Doug

Great pics! Thanks for the find.

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Originally posted by Gerry Burns:
At some point during their service the lights were added.

http://www.railpictures.net/vi...php?id=381527&nseq=0

http://www.railpictures.net/vi....php?id=60794&nseq=1

A couple of DD35 images here, and DD40's,really have to scan through the gallery, but well worth it. a lot 1960-1980 images across the country, really a great site.
Mr Carr has a premier railfan site.

http://www.carrtracks.com/cacj62up74.htm

http://www.carrtracks.com/sullivan.htm

http://www.carrtracks.com/wyupo847up60.htm

http://www.carrtracks.com/wyupo546up77.htm

A great yard office building,
http://www.carrtracks.com/coupwbaup3506.htm


Dan

The comment about the error in the manual regarding smoke fluid in either or both smoke stacks and the smoke fluid being different in "Ready to Run Sets.

I got a reply from Lionel this morning and according to them both stacks requre fluid and there is no difference with the smoke fluid within the Ready to Run Sets. I did check the on line manual and it indeed has conflicting info between what is stated and figure 3 and the caution about the smoke fluid.

Both of my UP (Powered and Nonpowered)units are at the dealer awaiting pickup so they certainly have shipped.

Larry what state are you in? I have not heard anything from my dealer yet and I would have to wait for it to ship I have 4 on order 2 UPs and 2 SPs

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Originally posted by Larry Brown:
The comment about the error in the manual regarding smoke fluid in either or both smoke stacks and the smoke fluid being different in "Ready to Run Sets.

I got a reply from Lionel this morning and according to them both stacks requre fluid and there is no difference with the smoke fluid within the Ready to Run Sets. I did check the on line manual and it indeed has conflicting info between what is stated and figure 3 and the caution about the smoke fluid.

Both of my UP (Powered and Nonpowered)units are at the dealer awaiting pickup so they certainly have shipped.

Matthew,

I reside in Oregon although my dealer is located in the Seattle area (Eastside Trains, Kirkland, Washington). I believe this particular shipment from Lionel came through Seattle so it might take a few days to get out to your neck of the woods and if your dealer goes through a distributor and you consider the time of year those might account for the delay.

Ours come directly from Seattle and as of this morning have not arrived. While we could ship out today they wouldn't arrive till after Christmas :-(

Charlie, I am going to talk to you for my pre orders next time since you are local and I could have just picked mine up from you when they arrived. I have purchased trains from you in the recent past that was in your inventory and had great experiences - thanks! I Just try to save on tax since I am local. I will certainly check your prices next time I pre order. Thanks for the update on status of your shipment.

Regards,
Matt bogardt

Well Utah is not that far from Seattle, . Wonder if it will show today.. Wonder if UPS will deliver tomorrow for last minute Christmas stuff

I got a notice from Charles Ro. He said they won't ship till Dec. 24 or 26.
Jim D.

Thanks Larry, keep us posted if you get yours.

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Originally posted by Larry Brown:
Matthew,

I reside in Oregon although my dealer is located in the Seattle area (Eastside Trains, Kirkland, Washington). I believe this particular shipment from Lionel came through Seattle so it might take a few days to get out to your neck of the woods and if your dealer goes through a distributor and you consider the time of year those might account for the delay.

Just picked up my UP DD35 from Wild Bills outside of Detroit.

I'm a little disappionted they did'nt make it for Christmas,but maybe those of you that did get them could post pictures or better yet a video of them.

Anyways my birthdays next week and will welcome it as my present

Merry Christmas,Doug