Hello all, with the arrival of the Lionel F40s finally here, I'd like to present to you my overview video of #364. In this video I focus on the basic features of the loco and I run it around my layout to give you a full sense of its capabilities. I do have to say the sound is amazing, and the horn is exactly what we asked for. Please feel free to watch, Comment, Like and Subscribe
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I noticed something in your video that kind of concerns me about the engine. While the engine is running the cab lights come on (which on the other Legacy engines I have they're only on when the units are stopped), and the diesel RPM sounds like it throttles all the way back to idle before going up again. Was this caused by you activating crewtalk or something or was it happening randomly? I'm hoping it's not some sort of glitch.
DM&E_Bobby posted:I noticed something in your video that kind of concerns me about the engine. While the engine is running the cab lights come on (which on the other Legacy engines I have they're only on when the units are stopped), and the diesel RPM sounds like it throttles all the way back to idle before going up again. Was this caused by you activating crewtalk or something or was it happening randomly? I'm hoping it's not some sort of glitch.
No, whenever the engine stops the rpm goes back to the lowest setting. Then while its stopped I can raise the rpm and move it with the rpm high again. The setting is weird, and the cab lights come on when the engine is stopped, but go off when the engine is moving unless you turn it back on.
Just called Charles Ro to check if they received their F40'S and was told they still are not due in until July? Oh well, I've waited 30 plus years why get impatient now?
I have mine on order from Charles Ro too.
Neal Jeter
Love it! Wouldn't the smoke start blowing as soon as it is "started up?" (Maybe you didn't have the smoke on.)
Cool! My order is too at Charlie RO! I can wait and build up the savings!
MICHAEL464 posted:Just called Charles Ro to check if they received their F40'S and was told they still are not due in until July? Oh well, I've waited 30 plus years why get impatient now?
How is that even possible? If Zach above has his (not sure where he got his) and Ro is a Lionel top 10 dealer then why are theirs due in July?
Good to know the horn works.
I have mine on order from Charlie. I called him last week and he said they will have them by mid April.
Green Bay & Western posted:I have mine on order from Charlie. I called him last week and he said they will have them by mid April.
That would seem like a much better date.
It appears to me that maybe Charlie Ro is going to get a surprise delivery of Lionel Amtrack F40ph's before July.... LOL
I hope so!
I got mine from Legacy Station. I am also aware that Train world did not get their shipment as well.
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:DM&E_Bobby posted:I noticed something in your video that kind of concerns me about the engine. While the engine is running the cab lights come on (which on the other Legacy engines I have they're only on when the units are stopped), and the diesel RPM sounds like it throttles all the way back to idle before going up again. Was this caused by you activating crewtalk or something or was it happening randomly? I'm hoping it's not some sort of glitch.
No, whenever the engine stops the rpm goes back to the lowest setting.
Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
Then while its stopped I can raise the rpm and move it with the rpm high again. The setting is weird, and the cab lights come on when the engine is stopped, but go off when the engine is moving unless you turn it back on.
Hot Water posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:DM&E_Bobby posted:I noticed something in your video that kind of concerns me about the engine. While the engine is running the cab lights come on (which on the other Legacy engines I have they're only on when the units are stopped), and the diesel RPM sounds like it throttles all the way back to idle before going up again. Was this caused by you activating crewtalk or something or was it happening randomly? I'm hoping it's not some sort of glitch.
No, whenever the engine stops the rpm goes back to the lowest setting.
Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
Then while its stopped I can raise the rpm and move it with the rpm high again. The setting is weird, and the cab lights come on when the engine is stopped, but go off when the engine is moving unless you turn it back on.
(In Red) Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
To clarify Lionel put regular adjustable rpms into the loco like all their other diesels, and yes you are right, the real F40PH always stayed at the same rpm level. This is an aspect of the engine Lionel probably ignored, to save money and other costs.
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Hot Water posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:DM&E_Bobby posted:I noticed something in your video that kind of concerns me about the engine. While the engine is running the cab lights come on (which on the other Legacy engines I have they're only on when the units are stopped), and the diesel RPM sounds like it throttles all the way back to idle before going up again. Was this caused by you activating crewtalk or something or was it happening randomly? I'm hoping it's not some sort of glitch.
No, whenever the engine stops the rpm goes back to the lowest setting.
Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
Then while its stopped I can raise the rpm and move it with the rpm high again. The setting is weird, and the cab lights come on when the engine is stopped, but go off when the engine is moving unless you turn it back on.
(In Red) Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
To clarify Lionel put regular adjustable rpms into the loco like all their other diesels, and yes you are right, the real F40PH always stayed at the same rpm level. This is an aspect of the engine Lionel probably ignored, to save money and other costs.
OK. So,,,,it isn't a very expensive model then?
Hot Water posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Hot Water posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:DM&E_Bobby posted:I noticed something in your video that kind of concerns me about the engine. While the engine is running the cab lights come on (which on the other Legacy engines I have they're only on when the units are stopped), and the diesel RPM sounds like it throttles all the way back to idle before going up again. Was this caused by you activating crewtalk or something or was it happening randomly? I'm hoping it's not some sort of glitch.
No, whenever the engine stops the rpm goes back to the lowest setting.
Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
Then while its stopped I can raise the rpm and move it with the rpm high again. The setting is weird, and the cab lights come on when the engine is stopped, but go off when the engine is moving unless you turn it back on.
(In Red) Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
To clarify Lionel put regular adjustable rpms into the loco like all their other diesels, and yes you are right, the real F40PH always stayed at the same rpm level. This is an aspect of the engine Lionel probably ignored, to save money and other costs.
OK. So,,,,it isn't a very expensive model then?
Well it depends on who you order yours from, everyone has their own prices.
I suspect the decision to have variable RPM on this model had everything to do with people who don't know that the original F40PHs ran at full RPM all the time and would have complained about a lack of variety in the sound. They weren't call "Screamers" for nothing! I will give Lionel credit thought for accurately capturing the Q-fans of the Phase III F40PH (Amtrak 309-429).
GG1 4877 posted:I suspect the decision to have variable RPM on this model had everything to do with people who don't know that the original F40PHs ran at full RPM all the time and would have complained about a lack of variety in the sound. They weren't call "Screamers" for nothing! I will give Lionel credit thought for accurately capturing the Q-fans of the Phase III F40PH (Amtrak 309-429).
You may be on to something Jonathan. Just like the "explanation" from the Lionel folks concerning the incorrect whistle on the latest issue of the SP GS-4 4-8-4 models, after have done it correctly on the first Legacy models. The "official" response was, "We didn't want the model to all sound the same.". Beautiful!
How are you stopping it ? Dialing back the throttle knob?
What if you left the throttle where you had it, with the rpms high, and brought the Loco to a stop using the train brake slider?
Does this leave the rpms up?
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:
(In Red) Just curious, but why is it not like a prototype F40PH, i.e. when coupled/connected to passenger equipment, the engine is always "raved up" in order to provide Head End Power (HEP) to the passenger cars?
To clarify Lionel put regular adjustable rpms into the loco like all their other diesels, and yes you are right, the real F40PH always stayed at the same rpm level. This is an aspect of the engine Lionel probably ignored, to save money and other costs.
I would think the way Lionel did it is the more expensive way, giving modelers more options in RPM levels, not less.
To those who are confused about the LIONEL RPMS, on the legacy remote there are rpm adjustable keys to adjust the unrealistic changes of the loco. I am not a company representative for Lionel in any way, I am just your average NJ Model train YouTuber. I don't know all the specific facts of the real 364 besides its VRE past, but I can do say that Lionel has put in a loud speaker to simulate the intensity of the "screaming affect."
I am surprised at the lasting popularity of this model. I bought an F40PH when the real ones were being replaced and wondered if it was a mistake; that I was giving in to nostalgia. Seems I'm not the only one all these years later!
Excellent overlook of the new engine Zach. I might recommend that the editing in the video could be a bit cleaner though when transitioning scenes so one bit of dialogue doesn't overlap another. That's just my constructive criticism.
But nonetheless, enjoy the excellent new engine. The horn is definitely the best thing about these locomotives, and now we have the benefit to enjoy it to our heart's contents on a Legacy remote. 
Farmer_Bill posted:I am surprised at the lasting popularity of this model. I bought an F40PH when the real ones were being replaced and wondered if it was a mistake; that I was giving in to nostalgia. Seems I'm not the only one all these years later!
I don't have one on order - other priorities - but would consider getting an F40 just because we took a great family trip on Amtrak a number of years ago (had a private family compartment and everything!), when F40s were heading up the train. Nostalgia and memories - probably a factor for other folks as well.
GG1 4877 posted:I suspect the decision to have variable RPM on this model had everything to do with people who don't know that the original F40PHs ran at full RPM all the time and would have complained about a lack of variety in the sound. They weren't call "Screamers" for nothing!
Regardless of prototypicality, I doubt most operators would want to listen to an engine sitting at rest on the layout blasting at full RPM all the time. I know I wouldn't.
Very nice video - man, do you like that horn! Am I missing something - it appears there are no visible numbers on the "front" number boards, but there are on the rear ones.
SURFLINER posted:Very nice video - man, do you like that horn! Am I missing something - it appears there are no visible numbers on the "front" number boards, but there are on the rear ones.
There are, its just that the camera didn't pick them up.
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:SURFLINER posted:Very nice video - man, do you like that horn! Am I missing something - it appears there are no visible numbers on the "front" number boards, but there are on the rear ones.
There are, its just that the camera didn't pick them up.
Thank you for clarifying.
My card was just charged for my F40 #364 I ordered from Legacy Station. Super excited to get it!
I received my shipping confirmation from Charles Ro on my Amtrak F40ph today.
Neal Jeter
Not a bad thing...just curious...is this tooling related to the K-Line F40PH?
I AS WELL, SATURDAY ROADTRIP TO CHARLIES!
Nice locomotive and presentation. Why, however, does a 4 wheel truck locomotive require O54 minimum?
Ray Lombardo posted:Nice locomotive and presentation. Why, however, does a 4 wheel truck locomotive require O54 minimum?
I'm going out on a limb here, the couplers are not mounted on the truck. Since they are on the frame there is less swing therefore the need for a wider curve.
Mike
MIne is scheduled to arrive tomorrow from RO. I found that my ES44ac would run on 042, but would not couple as EZMike notes because of the frame mounted couplers. I'm going to try the F40 as well. If it won't make 042 with cars, it will be like the ES44ac, a "club runner" only.
Mike W. posted:Not a bad thing...just curious...is this tooling related to the K-Line F40PH?
Lionel said it was not.
My take on the sound / RPM question when stopped is, Lionel put that in there because a lot of people like to play with the RPMs, also they figure a fair amount of their customers will prefer the RPMs down at a station stop. But it also runs with RPMs on full blast. So you can yell in your guest's ear, 'that's just how it is on the real one !'
My cabbage and power unit got to me today from Charles Ro and I am a slight bit disappointed.
On both units there are MU hoses broken off the rear pilots that I found in the boxes. The cabbage unit is also missing a piece to hide the IR sensor. The power unit's engineer is not in the seat but somewhere in the unit rattling around.
Gotta love Lionel quality control. There is no way I can chalk all of that up to damaged in transit.
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