Originally Posted by D500:
Lee - few "iconic" NYC locos? Oh. My. Goodness. Really? Do the names Mohawk and Niagara ring any bells? . . . .
I certainly didn't mean to call anyone's baby ugly - not yours or any of the others whose comments after mine roughly say the same thing. But I will push back quite a bit here. and I don't mean to start an argument.
To me - and why is used the word - iconic does not mean famous - it is way beyond famous. There are dozens - hundreds of famous locos. It also doesn't mean that someone - even someone who is very intelligent, well schooled, and experience - said or wrote that it was the best locomotive ever at this or that or whatever. There are dozens of locomotives that qualify there, too:
There are only a small handful of iconic locos - maybe six in my book. The NYC Hudson is one: I'm not sure why - it was a fast and dependable runner, sure but not that big, not that fast, or that anything really. It pulled some mighty famous trains though, and it was owned by the iconic eastern RR. And maybe this had something to do with it, too . . . it was modeled early and often by Lionel and others, which made it a celebrity among locos.
The ATSF Warbonnet F3 is maybe the iconic loco. The F3 look coupled with the best paint job any loco ever had. Then there is the Big Boy - just because it was the big boy - again, many have and will write that this or that loco was actually more powerful or rated better by this or that metric, etc., but it is still the Big Boy - and an icon. Gresley's Mallard - fastest ever officially timed. No offense to 999, but . . . Maybe a couple of others: I'll concede perhaps, probably, the PRR GG1, even though I'm not a fan.
Then there are are near-icons: the N&W J maybe - it certainly is a bit closer to iconic in my thinking than the Niagara, and certainly the Challenger is right at the cusp - I think it would stand in that place had the Big Boy not been made, but given that its just a great loco - an almost Big Boy. Maybe the Niagara had more HP, but the Challenger weighed a lot more, and in locomotives weight is an important advantage: a Challenger had more weight, more wheels, that equals more traction, and it had all the power it needed. But it still wasn't quite an icon. The Niagara, to me, was not quite there either.