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Hi,

 

    I am hoping someone might have the answer to this question.  I have copies of catalog pages for Marx train accessories from 1939 - 1941, and the item I am interested is the 4 piece station set.  The Set consists of a warning sign, semaphore, crossing gate, and a station.  I have seen the smaller items with the green bases but not the station.  Looking at the catalog page it almost looks like a Lionel 127 station.  Would anyone happen to have a photo of what the station really looks like, that would help me know what I might be looking at if I ever come across one.

 

          Thank you,

 

          Kevin Coyle

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could you be a little more specific as to who's catalog pages you are looking at?  early on, Marx published their Timely Table accessory catalog, but i can see no reference to a station set in that listing.

 

in that early time period, i would think the station would be a Union station (very small for O scale), but with you comment as to it looking like a Lionel #127, i'd say the best guess would be a Girard (whistle) or Oak Park (diesel horn) station.  both came as lighted and unlighted versions.

 

again, if you could scan or better reference the pages you are looking at, it would be a great help with an ID.

 

cheers...gary

 

 

 

 

that explains it... you're looking at Hafner, not Marx.  the station is their Glen Ellen (cat no. 400) with semaphore.  the station is not that uncommon, but finding it with the semaphore is a bit more difficult.  once they get split up (the semaphore post is removable) they typically get separated in resales.

 

in size and form it's very close to the Flyer No. 90, Hyde Park Station.

 

cheers...gary

Hi,

 

          Ok so I guess everything on those catalog pages was not Marx.  Thank you for the photo, the litho looks very close to the Ives power station that I found in my parent's attic.  I have seen the three separate accessories with green bases for sale, but not I know what the station looks like.

 

    Thank you both for the info.

 

          Kevin

I think the station also came with a red roof and green base too. When i found this one a few years ago, they seemed to be going for about twenty to thirty bucks on eBay. what kind of trains are you running on the layout that the station will go on? If I have something similar, i'll try to get a shot or two of it with the rolling stock so you can get an idea of the size of it.

 

J White

 

Originally Posted by Kevin Coyle:

Hi,

 

    I am in the process of gathering the pieces to run my 1939 Marx wind up set.  Although I just picked up 3 red framed Marx cars for a very good price, so I am now thinking about getting the electric engine to go with it.  here we go, more stuff to collect and play with.....

 

     Kevin

since some may not be aware, i'd just like to point out that Marx made two types of red frame cars...

 

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to avoid confusion, the one of the right is often referred to as the red 'litho' frame.

 

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notwithstanding the 'anything goes with Marx' motto most collectors follow, the red litho frame sets most commonly came with the black plate Commodore Vanderbilt locomotive along with a BLACK frame CV rivet tender.  i cannot say i haven't seen this tender with a red litho frame, but it never left the Marx factory that way.

 

cheers...gary

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My black Commodor had black/white or black/grey emossed litho on every car including the caboose(fixed wheels). ...

though i agree, they usually appear off white or grey to me, too, these are known as silver litho frames...

 

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these were some of the earliest Marx tin cars.  after only about a year in production, the frame and many of the early litho car designs changed to the more recognizable 550-series cars.  unlike the red frames which only came on certain cars, the silver litho frames were valid for all the early cars including tenders.

 

sure would like to see what you describe as a smoke generating bulb.  the CV was never built in production as a smoker, so i've got to think your locomotive was either a home-brew or a factory prototype.

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Originally Posted by overlandflyer:
sure would like to see what you describe as a smoke generating bulb.  the CV was never built in production as a smoker, so i've got to think your locomotive was either a home-brew or a factory prototype.
 
 
 

Lionel had a similar bulb, it had a dimple in the glass to hold the smoke oil, and it got very hot. The Lionel bulb has a bayonet base, this MARX had a screw base bulb. While the engine was free of rust outside, ran and smoked well, the bulb burned out after about 3 Christmas's running for hours on end. The shrouding for the bulb was stamped metal halves, held together by tabs, held to the frame by two screws(?), not painted, and when I tried to gently remove it, it dissolved into rust dust in my fingers. It also had a plate between the pilot and motor to keep the light from shining down onto the track, a semi clear plastic lens(age crackled, eventually broke) with a welded metal visor over it, not a plated trim piece, and in the stack trim a red plastic offset to the rear inverted funnel that kind of lit up, though no light really made it out of the plated egg shaped stack. It did the "early plastics" crumble too. I re-used the wicking material repacking my 2037(Adriatic) a fews years ago. The bulb had no bulb ID#, or company ID of any kind, and I never found a reference for a screw base smoke bulb made by anyone. The glass was thin(for heating?) and didn't survive a trip in the parts box when I moved in the 80s. I'll try a sketch of the smoke shroud, if it looks ok I'll try to scan it soon.  
 
Yep, that's very similar to my caboose. They are at a friends house, and I don't remember the caboose number. But I think the trucks are the shape of the red ones, and my lines are thinner on the frame for sure. Wheels and some of the straight slot drawbar couplers are darker sheet metal (blueing?). The tender looks just like that, it had a Santa Fe tanker, NYC gondola green w/red rails. A flat car and a box car were there, colors red, white, and lt. blue, or grey, they died in the dirt were part of the box collapsed, only the wheels, axles, couplers and "2 inch square, paint flakes" were left on top of the rust. Also my loco has copper boiler name plates with black lettering. If it was a proto, which I don't doubt, its kind of ironic.  You see this came from the non-train collecting side of the family.(tangent warning) I couldn't even run them when they visited, one of my Great Grandmothers(not married to the train owner[grams dad] but that side of the family) was killed by a Detroit trolley in front of my Gramps when he was 8(?..1920s). Her shoe heel stuck between track and concrete, fell and she was crush/cut above the hips. Died taking to Gramps, in little pain. So all trains made him sad. But my other Gramps a true Lionel collector 100s of Engines alone. Location of the buried train was in Lincoln Park, what would have been rural Ecorse back then, just south of Detroit, Mi. Ecorse then was MUCH larger than it is today. I wonder which of those grand old stores he bought it at? Kresge, Woolworths, Hudsons? Or maybe he said "meet me under the clock". In Detroit, it was Kerns.  

Kevin, here's a picture of the contents of that set you showed in the catalog cut (they are the items in the lower part of the picture).

 

As for station colors - Hafner made them in a variety of color combinations not only base and roof color differences (which could be either the same color or different) but also different litho treatment with respect to the walls of the station.
 
 
Hafner also made long narrow stations and freight stations (the two on the bottom of this picture). Their shape, although not their litho, is a close copy of the Bing stations.
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Coyle:
....  Doing a quick eBay search I found one with a yellow roof and another with a brown roof.

not surprising...  Hafner color variations could fill a warehouse.  i can only imagine William H. routinely pulling up to the factory loading dock with 50 gallons of closeout colors from the local Sherwin Williams outlet.

 

whatever the color, always be wary of pieces like this that are a combination of solid and graphic litho where the condition is not consistent throughout the piece.  a pristine condition roof or platform with playworn station sides will often indicates a partial repaint/ restoration.

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