I have a chance to get a Max Gray 4-6-2 at a very good price, and
I need to know if it will run on 54 inch radais track. Witch is all I have.
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I have no idea, but I'm guessing "yes". 🙂
PS: If you end up getting it, please post lots of pictures!
Mark in Oregon
Waht is the prototype? I have USH PRR 4-8-2s and they have blind center drivers. They will go around 48" radius with no problem. I would think the MG might be similar if PRR.
Also, I have some old MG catalogues, so if you list the prototype/model, I can look up what was listed as Min radius in the catalouge. All the MG stuff had a min radius listed, I think.
If it’s a NYC L-4-b Mohawk (4-8-2) Max Gray service bulletin sheet #14- 2/59 lists minimum radius (all drivers flanged) 60”. It it’s an SP 4-8-2 Mountain Max Gray sheet#26- 4/61 lists that models minimum radius 54”
Lee Gustafson
Was told all drivers were flanged.
Addition to Max Gray information, the Pennsy M-1 4-8-2 according to service bulletin Fall 1964 lists a minimum 42 inch radius. That is with the 130-F-82 tender.
Lee Gustafson
He did say it was a 4-6-2. That ought to make his radius easily.
@bob2 posted:He did say it was a 4-6-2. That ought to make his radius easily.
I just went back and checked; it was originally a "4-8-2". Guess the OP must have changed it recently...
Mark in Oregon
Yes I did change it.
I made a mistake and said 4-8-2 instead of 4-6-2 my bad.
I had a KTM PRR K4s 4-6-2 that ran with no issues on a 50" radius yard lead. I would expect a similar result with a KTM built MG 4-6-2. Which MG 4-6-2 model are you considering?.
Looks like a K5 no road name, number, or paint
...my request for photos still applies...😁
Mark in Oregon
Mark,
If I get it , You'll get it.
Photos that is.
I didn't know that MG made a PRR K5?
Chuck
FWIW, Max Gray imported an Erie K-5 Pacific if that helps.
Lee Gustafson
Well looks like I won' be getting the M G 4-6-2 K 5 pacific after all,
Owner wants to keep it.
...darn...
Mark in Oregon
Probably a K4 anyway, I don't think MG did a K5.
@old Bill posted:Here is the picture that was sent to me .
owner said was a Max Gray .I am not up on MG's so can not say one way or the other.
Well, that is DEFINITELY not a model of any PRR steam locomotive! Maybe an Erie?
Definitely an Erie K5. Only Max and MiLoco made the PRR K5.
I am not sure, but I believe these are somewhat rare, and may bring a premium over, say, the Max PRR K4.
Sorry you lost out - happens to all of us. Sometimes you have to make a quick decision . . .
Yes, MG did the Erie K5 and I think that was only one run, and no one has done it since. I have seen one or two at shows in 30 years.
MG imported the Erie K-5 Pacific in November of 1962 in stock price in his November 1962 newsletter was $178.50
Lee Gustafson
Just so you know, the MG K4 is way more accurate than the far more expensive USH.
That may be, but for $179.00 for a running KTN K4 I can live with not
being as accurate.
I've don't remember hearing of it, but what is KTN? Are you sure it's not KTM?
Chuck
I punch the wrong key.
At that price for a painted and running O scale K4 by KTM, you did quite well! Enjoy it, and I hope it fits your curves.
Chuck
Yes a very good score....tho that Max Gray is sure nice...🙂...and interesting. The first set of drivers are spoke; the main and third sets are a disc of some sort. Beautiful model.
Mark in Oregon
So KTM made models both for Max and USH. There are slight differences in most models - the SP Mountain mechanism only changed the gearbox and axle diameter. The Max PRR K4 is distinguished by a correct boiler taper. The USH copied the incorrect taper in the MRR Cyclopedia. Under $200 is a good deal for either, although the Max K4 is usually in that price range.
The one that really dramatically changed was the SP AC-12. Max used the wrong size drivers!
KTM is Katsumi Moketein - forgive the spelling; my Japanese is non-existent.
FWIW... There was a MG Erie K5 that sold at the Cleveland 2R show this month. Saw one at Indy in 2019 as well. The Erie K5 is my favorite steam engine, but I can't bring myself to buy a brass model from the 60s with an open frame motor when I run DCC/Sound and install smoke units in my steam. Unfortunately, I will probably never get one in O scale. Precision scale did them a couple years ago in HO scale and they were fantastic.
@jonnyspeed posted:FWIW... The Erie K5 is my favorite steam engine, but I can't bring myself to buy a brass model from the 60s with an open frame motor when I run DCC/Sound and install smoke units in my steam. Unfortunately, I will probably never get one in O scale. Precision scale did them a couple years ago in HO scale and they were fantastic.
I think I've seen examples of your work on some of these sites: I'm betting you could swap an open frame for a can and install some sort of smoke device ...👍 🙂
Mark in Oregon
I am the opposite - I have traded PSC for USH, and been happier with the older, sturdier, and simpler models. And yeah, a good Pittman does wonders for a USH.
