Midwest Model Works Spectacular Update

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made a picture off those amazing trucks

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These models are amazing. I'm so glad I got myself a couple. Im sure I'll be in on the SD40-2 project as well

Thanks George!

What a piece of ART!

 Erik is getting very, very close to having enough reservation to do the SD40-2  project. I strongly suggest getting your order in to MMW. I am sending in my order within the week. I don't want to miss out. Especially the Norfolk Southern just newly repainted Operation Life Savor # 3480

Not trying to take anything away from Eric's model (looks fabulous), but I think it might better be described as a "Diesel" model that surpasses all previous models, rather than an O scale model that surpassess all others. I believe KEY holds that same claim with their SP AC line of steam locomotive imported this year.  Just saying..............

BH

up148 posted:

Not trying to take anything away from Eric's model (looks fabulous), but I think it might better be described as a "Diesel" model that surpasses all previous models, rather than an O scale model that surpassess all others. I believe KEY holds that same claim with their SP AC line of steam locomotive imported this year.  Just saying..............

 

BH

Key has actually delivered a few models, too.

For some reason, I can't get the SD40 pages to load on my computer, it keeps sending me to either the home page or the center beam page. What is the price on the SD40s?

Here we go again w the all

models to date crap...

I love that with Mmw doing the sd's, Key can focus on less mundane prototypes

Will Ebbert posted:

For some reason, I can't get the SD40 pages to load on my computer, it keeps sending me to either the home page or the center beam page. What is the price on the SD40s?

When MMW first announced the SD 40-2s the base model was 2800K and the "connoisseur" model at 4200k. I would not be surprised to see those numbers trend upward if the models ultimately go into production.

Santiago, can you explain what a "mundane prototype" is? Is the SD40-2 one of these "mundane prototypes"? Seems to me like Key has had the dash 2 on their website for several years zero progress while MMW is gearing up to put it into development. Wouldn't Key running F units  for the 6th time be mundane?

mwb posted:

up148 posted:

Not trying to take anything away from Eric's model (looks fabulous), but I think it might better be described as a "Diesel" model that surpasses all previous models, rather than an O scale model that surpassess all others. I believe KEY holds that same claim with their SP AC line of steam locomotive imported this year.  Just saying..............

 

BH

Key has actually delivered a few models, too.

up148  I agree with Stephen.  Actually Eric's model is the premier of all models.  Not only does it have a superior drive,  "3D" prototype trucks with connecting sand lines to the locomotive frame that no one has previously produced and state of the art lighting, etc.  So, yes, it is the premier model in O Scale brass models.  No tank drives here. 

George diSanti

I'm in for a mundane Q GP 7 when they build it, I'd love to run a mundane 50's local. 

He’s got SD7/9, GP 7/9 and cowell units on his list. From talking with him at the march meet his goal is to run a modern and early diesel project simultaneously that way he can keep the diesel modelers happy

Beautiful Erik! 

Matt:

Talking with Erik on the GP 7/9 project "Passenger Geeps" as they have not been represented well. Most passenger geeps that were done were executed poorly. There problem is that I purchase early and modern power. The SD35, 38, 38-2, 39, 40, 40-2 I listed 16 locomotives in my want list. Luckily my wife said to do whatever I want!  I think she said that soooo that I will feel guilty.

Stephen

I don’t have a wife and I don’t experience guilt. 

George diSanti posted:

mwb posted:

up148 posted:

Not trying to take anything away from Eric's model (looks fabulous), but I think it might better be described as a "Diesel" model that surpasses all previous models, rather than an O scale model that surpassess all others. I believe KEY holds that same claim with their SP AC line of steam locomotive imported this year.  Just saying..............

 

BH

Key has actually delivered a few models, too.

up148  I agree with Stephen.  Actually Eric's model is the premier of all models.  Not only does it have a superior drive,  "3D" prototype trucks with connecting sand lines to the locomotive frame that no one has previously produced and state of the art lighting, etc.  So, yes, it is the premier model in O Scale brass models.  No tank drives here. 

George diSanti

 

George,

I'd suggest you go to the KEY website and look at all the photos and the story behind the production of their SP AC models.  And, KEY only uses tank drives in their diesels (not sure why), but never on steam locomotive models, for obvious reason. I'm not saying "Hooray" for our side, as I don't have a side in this discussion, I'm just say you should at least look at the KEY SP AC,  before agreeing with a "sweeping statement" made by someone else. The KEY AC's are remarkable models that broke new ground in dozens of areas, just like what Eric is doing with his diesels. 

I went to the MMW website and must agree his proposed "museum quality" SD-40-2 models with opening side doors and full scale model engine will be about as good as one can expect in a diesel locomotive. Generally, models of this type have only been built by a handful of craftsmen around the world in onesies and twosies. It should be remarkable. 

BH

Really great to see the continued progress from Erik on these spectacular models.

No question exceptional pilot model, remarkable gearbox and truck frame castings really shows well in unpainted brass. For those willing to make the investment a state of the art model, would be a lot more tempting if it was a late model GE. JMO

Key - MMW    Popping corn!

Nice work, so the reality lived up to the drawings originally posted of the trucks on this site, hope this silences the doubters.

Interesting how quickly this, comparatively speaking, has been brought to market compared to other importers.  

Im an EMD fan myself

Limey posted:

Interesting how quickly this, comparatively speaking, has been brought to market compared to other importers.  

Just curious, but how do you figure that? Been in the works for circa 6 years. I would hesitate to call that quick.

No reflection on the model itself. It looks to be very nice.

Simon

Simon Winter posted:

Limey posted:

Interesting how quickly this, comparatively speaking, has been brought to market compared to other importers.  

Just curious, but how do you figure that? Been in the works for circa 6 years. I would hesitate to call that quick.

No reflection on the model itself. It looks to be very nice.

Simon

+1.  6 years and counting is not quick in my book.  Typical of Key and Kohs too!  Now, 3rd Rail is quick!  

BH

Id say 6 years is faster than any of you guys have done it

6 years since first mooted - not deposits taken or promises made.  It took Erik sometime to get hold of drawings from EMD and there were other issues I am aware of that took time to resolve. Also needed to establish a relationship with a builder, give him credit as this enterprise was started from scratch.  If you can do better I would love to see your efforts. Those who can do, those who can't bs and carp from the sidelines. 

opinion. 

6 years is, in my OPINION, a long time.

Have a good one, my friend.

Simon

Simon Winter posted:

Limey posted:

Interesting how quickly this, comparatively speaking, has been brought to market compared to other importers.  

Just curious, but how do you figure that? Been in the works for circa 6 years. I would hesitate to call that quick.

No reflection on the model itself. It looks to be very nice.

Simon

Not brought to market yet either........unless people are taking delivery of them

This forum is so negative. 

Who cares how long it takes?  The guys with invested $$ should care but I'll bet that they know this is a 1-man project and it takes time.  Even mass produced products have at least a few years in concept to available product.

Most of the guys here couldn't build and complete a $5 Lego set in 6 years but they are always the first to complain and only have negative things to say or back handed comments.   You are the guys that bring this hobby down and make it unpleasant for the masses. Keeping the good minded, quality builders in the shadows while they get stuff done

I would say that the boosters are somewhat over-sensitive.  I do not blame them.

But a forum really is all about opinions, and it seems to me if one posts an opinion, bitterness should not be the result when someone else posts an opposite opinion.

Six years is not a very long time - it is only ten percent of an average adulthood.  Notwithstanding that, one might expect deliveries within the next several years?

Can't we be happy that this stuff is still being made? This is great for those who want them, but the whole "best ever built" is ridiculous and counterproductive. 

6 years for the first project from the ground up. People have no idea the time, energy, effort and commitment and endeavor such as this takes. You should be rejoicing that in a time where “trains are dying” according to some and brass importers and builders are disappearing some had the stones and the where-with-all to become an importer and do it to the level we haven’t seen and he did sell about 200 models so there is a demand. Let’s not forget, he only started asking for deposits a year and a half ago.

MMW is not the primary business of the owner.  MMW evolved from a deisel drive replacement busisness (again, not his primary business). If anyone feels they can do a better job, I invite you to invest your time and your money and produce a quality product instead of B&C about every little thing.  

And you guys that think the MMW offering is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I need to remind you, it isn't here yet, so the "announcement of the demise of Key Models" is a bit premature. Yes, there are photos that look spectacular and the ECS  diesel drive is superb, but until the product is delivered to compare against previous importers offerings, any comment is like a fart in the wind, a bunch of gossipy old women.

I'm sure Erik wants his first offering to the O scale market to be the best he can produce and if it takes time, so be it.

Larry

Ladies and gentlemen,  I'd like to see the comments on this Forum had President Lincoln said he was going to build a railroad from the Missouri River to the Pacific Ocean.  John in Lansing, ILL

rattler21 posted:

Ladies and gentlemen,  I'd like to see the comments on this Forum had President Lincoln said he was going to build a railroad from the Missouri River to the Pacific Ocean.  John in Lansing, ILL

Well that is the stoopidest thing ever.  Those Ingins and wilderness and how many men is that gonna take.  Who wants to travel at a blistering 25 miles in an hour.  That is unheard of. 

Is that what you mean?  Things haven't changed, have they?

Larry

Hey, sliced bread ain't that great

I don't recall anyone saying they were opposed or unhappy that "this stuff" is being made. Personally, I am pleased to see new projects being produced, and the more of them the better.

I certainly harbor NO animosity towards Erik, and hope he is successful to the max.

As far as "the best ever built", maybe so, but I think it might be prudent to delay the coronation until the models have been delivered to the customers.

Simon

Simon Winter posted:

Limey posted:

Interesting how quickly this, comparatively speaking, has been brought to market compared to other importers.  

Just curious, but how do you figure that? Been in the works for circa 6 years. I would hesitate to call that quick.

No reflection on the model itself. It looks to be very nice.

Simon

Been waiting over 10 years for Key's CZ cars with a promise of positive movement by the end of this year but when I ask I'm put off; still.