MTH Amtrak Genesis Phase V

As long as they don't make the same cab #'s, I imagine the Walters ones will still bring a nice premium. I picked one up at a train show for $220 a few years ago from a guy who had no idea what he was selling. I then sold it for a nice markup a few months later

Why would they bring such a premium if they're being produced my MTH?  I'm obviously missing something.

The older units from the earlier catalogs all had the 5.0 volt boards, so those are not really desirable in my eyes- the newer units will have PS3, so the newer versions are a win/win situation all the way around-

Originally posted by Jeff s:

The older units from the earlier catalogs all had the 5.0 volt boards, so those are not really desirable in my eyes-

OK I'll bite. Why not really desirable other than replacing the battery with a bcr?

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Why would they bring such a premium if they're being produced my MTH?  I'm obviously missing something.

I can't help but wonder about your comments. I have to guess that you meant that they are older? It always sounds like your bashing. Maybe you think these are better?

the 5 volt boards have a higher rate of failure vs the 3 volt.

Engineer-Joe posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Why would they bring such a premium if they're being produced my MTH?  I'm obviously missing something.

I can't help but wonder about your comments. I have to guess that you meant that they are older? It always sounds like your bashing.

Boy, that comes from left field!  Why do you think I'm bashing anything or anybody?  Let me speak slowly, maybe you'll understand.

MTH is producing a new Amtrak Genesis in phase V livery with PS/3.  Why would an old MTH Amtrak Genesis in phase V livery command a premium price when it has inferior and unreliable PS/2 5V board?  What is "bashing" about that, I'm asking what makes the older model valuable.

Are you just looking to start an argument?

How an old GP-20 enters into the conversation clearly is something only you can understand, because I sure don't get it!

Please, take a breath and read slowly!

Thank you for answering. I am not looking for a fight.

The statement appeared to be bashing. Thank you for explaining it.

I misread your statement and I apologize. 

So.....back to the original point of this post. 

A listing on eBay just closed for one powered and one dummy for $691. 

So here's where I stand on this.... I have 2 of the Walthers ones; one that is still 5V, and another that has PS3 by virtue of a frame swap. I also have the Walthers prototype paint sample shell.  I'm still gonna buy the new version, maybe all the numbers depending on what other versions they do (I still need a pair of silver roof Phase IVs)... because the 10 or so P40s and 42s that I have just doesnt seem adequate  

If they don't repeat numbers I dont think the value of the old ones will drop.... they seem to churn regularly on ebay, but not that frequently. Take a look at the prices of any of the older Genesis releases... PS1 version excluded, they seem to hold up pretty well. The fade stripe models of the same vintage as the Walthers model go for $300ish as well. And they say there's no demand for Amtrak. They may not continue to go for $650 a piece, but I doubt they're going to plummet. 

If they wanted to "preserve" the original Walthers models, then they could have done the original version of Phase V with the blue frame stripe. I doubt they'll do that though, its much easier to just re-shoot the model they've already got. Perhaps this time they'll get the color right.

Boilermaker1 posted:

So here's where I stand on this.... I have 2 of the Walthers ones; one that is still 5V, and another that has PS3 by virtue of a frame swap. I also have the Walthers prototype paint sample shell.  I'm still gonna buy the new version, maybe all the numbers depending on what other versions they do (I still need a pair of silver roof Phase IVs)... because the 10 or so P40s and 42s that I have just doesnt seem adequate  

Very cool about the paint sample. Lol about needing more!!!

If they don't repeat numbers I dont think the value of the old ones will drop.... they seem to churn regularly on ebay, but not that frequently. Take a look at the prices of any of the older Genesis releases... PS1 version excluded, they seem to hold up pretty well. The fade stripe models of the same vintage as the Walthers model go for $300ish as well. And they say there's no demand for Amtrak. They may not continue to go for $650 a piece, but I doubt they're going to plummet. 

 

Good points. I can see that happening as well.