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Well, the day finally came!  My Kindergartener came home with her first Science Project assignment.  As an engineer (and a Dad) I was thrilled.  After discussing experiment options, my daughter decided her project would be "What makes a locomotive a good puller?".  Thus far, she's identified factors which she thinks might affect the pulling power of an engine as part of her hypothesis (and whether she thinks they will have a positive or negative effect).  She picked-out weight, number of motors, "grippyness" of the wheels, power applied, and diesel vs. steam.  Pretty good choices, I thought.

In order to perform tests, we looked at either hooking up a bunch of cars OR building a test rig.  Ultimately, the test rig won out since we will be able to try more engines in less time, and get more accurate measurements, this way.   We're effectively measuring starting tractive effort.

The test rig is basically a board with powered track.  Connected to the end of the board is a digital scale, capable of measuring weight (force) applied in 0.02 lb increments.  The scale is, in turn, connected to whichever locomotive we are testing.  We built the rig last weekend and tested it with a K-line switcher to ensure it will work.  We're painting up the rig now (it's going to be pink), and hope to do our test runs this weekend.  It's a Kindergarten project... so we're keeping the experiment simple, limiting the factors we'll test, testing/reporting one factor at a time, and only looking at "better or worse".  We'll leave trend lines and analysis of variance to future studies

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-Dustin

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Dustin, 

What an awesome project! 

Your daughter looks like she is really doing a great job and is proud of what she is building. She will learn a lot as a result, and her kindergarten classmates will benefit as well.  I like how her brother also appears to be very interested in what is going on. 

It's great to see young people involved in activities such as this.  Enjoy the time and the life long family memories that go with it.

What a great DAD you are.!!!

 

I have 5 kids and we did a lot of school projects that revovlved around Airplane and Train themes ALWAYS they were a BIG hit and generated a lot of interest and attention.

My youngest 12 years old is my real train buff and wants to do a BRIDGE for his Science Fair. I just came off the Bridge Thread and saw this, VERY COOL!!!!!

Good story and it looks like you have a very talented young engineer (and model railroader) in the making there. Very impressive for kindergarten. She appears to be pretty handy with the tools too. It's great to see kids interested in things like this and I hope her interest grows as she gets older, sure off to a good start. Good luck with the project and please keep us updated.

Dustin,

As a father and retired engineer I enjoyed helping my daughter in her grade school science projects, I remember a momentum and distance traveled science  project using two Lionel gondola cars, varying marble loads and an inclined ramp and flat board with O gauge track. I am glad you have pictures of your daughter using the drill and sander on the project and your son and daughter using the digital fish scale to determine tractive effect. Assisting our children in there projects, school related or personal, are memories that you will never forget and memories they will not forget, this bonding is essential between our children and us as parents. 

John 

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Dustin,

Add me to the list of those blown away at what passes for kindergarten these days!  Your children are amazing and it's great to see your daughter is getting such great training from her dad (complete with safety goggles).  She's proposed a well thought out project.  And as others have said she and her brother will rememver these times working with and learning from you, and skills they are developing.

Looking forward to the results.

Tomlinson Run Railroad

This weekend we were able to complete re-assembly of the test rig (post painting), execute our test runs, and get a start on the "art" portion of the project (that is, decorating the display board).  Here's the test set-up:

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Here's a close-up of the engine, connected to a pair of trucks, which is connected to the scale and the rig:

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...and here's a few shots from our test runs.  We tested 9 different engines, and my Blue Goose bravely sacrificed a traction tire during testing:

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My kids refer to pantagraphs as "antlers".  I haven't corrected them.

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Working on the display board!

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She hasn't written-up the results and conclusions yet, so I'll save that for when we have it put together.  In a nutshell, though, we found that heavier engines (in general) have better starting traction (up to a point, and assuming the motor is sized to the weight).  We also found that many of the engines performed better when pulling with less power (wheel slip was worse for some at high power), and more engines MU'ed together results in more pulling power.

-Dustin

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Trainfun posted:

This is a great project. I'm a retired science teacher and currently judge science fairs. I'd love to see projects like this instead of the usual volcanoes or dumping Mentos into coca cola.

I USED to judge science fairs until the mall said no electricity displays (even so far as requiring batteries removed from DVMs!).   Anything mechanical or electrical has to be under cover and can't be operated (malls afraid someone might have their hand cut off or electrocuted, I guess).  And of course no chemicals.  So nothing for a retired EE to see.  Now fair has degenerated into endless tables of Elmers folding poster board stands with biological themes and dead plants. All kids do is stand there and babel Wikipedia knowledge, and if you ask a question requiring thinking, for the most part you get the deer in the headlight stare and mumbled I don't know.  For the most part, its "my science teacher suggested it and I looked it up on line how to do the project, please sign my sheet, thank you"

Sad.

Thats why,Dustin,  I am glad your daughter came up with that idea and followed though.  She will have learned alot from this and who knows, I hope inspires her towards engineering or sciences.

RRMan,

Interesting and unfortunate to hear about science fairs at the mall.  I wonder if the ban on batteries, chemicals, and etc. has more to do with mall security and the threat of bombs?

Both my parents were science teachers and former research scientists and I must confess my science fair projcts weren't as neat as Dustin's daughter's project.  (And extra bonus points for involving model trains, grippiness and pulliness!  :-). To counter your observation about wikipedia being the dept of kids' science research (which I don't doubt), there seems to be a flip side to that.  It seems every issue of my high school or undergraduate alumni magazine features an article of some 17-year old starting their own technology start-up -- often software or robots. And always before they even graduate!

But working in technology as I do, it has taken YEARS to see other women in STEM.  So, yeah, who knows what seeds and life-long skills are being planted with this great dad-daughter project?  (P.S. I love the pink engineer's hat. They only came in blue when I was a kid.)

Tomlinson Run RR

 

A week ago was Engineers Week and Thursday was introduce a girl to Engineering day. We always have about a dozen high school girls in for the day. Looks like you are having your own introduce a girl to Engineering time and her project beats building a bridge with scewers and marshmallows and test there strengh for her age compared with what the high school girls do.

Great project, defiantly an A+ in my book! Keep us posted on the projects evaluation and her grade.

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Thanks again for all the compliments!  Over the weekend we finished the display board.  All that's left now is for my daughter to practice her presentation a little bit and ensure she has it down.  I'm very proud of how well she did on the project, but it's more exciting to see how proud she is of her accomplishment. 

 

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