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Wow, even Neil is getting out of the hobby.
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That should be one interesting auction!!! Can't wait.
I thought he was only auctioning a small part of his collection, not all of it, is this correct?
From my understanding the 250 items would only be the tip of the iceberg. This comes from talking with a few sources. Also it is my guess that the layout is to remain intact, but this some of the more interesting stuff. The 28% buyers premium (25% plus the 3% online fee) is going to hurt a bit, but I am also very interested to see the rest of the docket.
Funny thing about this whole auction is the trains are going to be the cheap part of this sale. I'm thankful I don't have the same desire for guitars and cars.
Neil Young must be pushing 75 years of age . At this stage he probably wants to simplify his life or perhaps he needs extra funds for high living expenses. Nothing lasts forever and one day the trains of every forum member will be sold..
Maybe he just wants to make room for new toys. No sense in hanging on to what you don't want too badly if others would enjoy them more than you either.
Dennis LaGrua posted:Neil Young must be pushing 75 years of age . At this stage he probably wants to simplify his life or perhaps he needs extra funds for high living expenses. Nothing lasts forever and one day the trains of every forum member will be sold..
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This was already covered. Then again, we often see multiple threads on the very same topic.... sometimes they are all on the first page.
https://ogrforum.com/topic/neil-young
I figured because there was already a recent NY thread, why start another??? Then again, there were 3 simultaneous vision line threads recently, 2 of which were closed. Currently there are another 3 different threads all about the same identical topic: The Lionel parts sale.
And I also find it amazing how many topics on this Hi-Rail, Traditional and 0/027 forum begin with the word "scale." I often wonder why there is even a 3-Rail Scale forum. It's so dead on there, you can hear the crickets chirping.
Part of the Richard Kughn collection is also up on eBay this weekend.
Chris Lord posted:
He must be following the advice of his business partner
Online Only Auction in Livonia, MI starts on 10/20/2017
Notch 6 posted:From my understanding the 250 items would only be the tip of the iceberg. This comes from talking with a few sources.
How did you let this get away Derek???
BMT-Express posted:How did you let this get away Derek???
Truthfully, we were caught off guard by all of this happening. If we would have thought there was a conversation to have with their camp we would have absolutely had it.
That being said, getting Stout Auctions to compete with a high power auction house like Juliens is a tall order. Yes, we are the leader when it comes to toy trains. When it comes to the cars and guitars though we would not have the fire power to make it happen. My guess is that this was all packaged together and the trains just got wrapped into the deal. If the rest of the trains ever went up for sale, we would love to have the opportunity to serve the family.
I also suspect that this deal isn't being completely steered by Neil. That's based on a few other conversations. Remember his ex-wife Pegi ended up with quite a bit of property. The fact that a portion of the proceeds are going to The Bridge School which she has championed for a number of years tells me she has a big hand in the decision as well.
I think Juliens was the near by choice with the track record of selling high profile Hollywood memorabilia. We'll see what details they get right on the trains, but for sure there are going to be examples that I think will have details missed.
Either way, I'm excited to participate in the Young auction and we have PLENTY of cool stuff coming at Stout's to keep us busy into next year. We've also had an incredible 2017. Lionel Archives, Jim Seacrest, George Klett, Bob Ford. It's been a really good year.
Not sure who your sources are, but they are not accurate. First of all Neil has been and will continue to be fully involved in the process of producing the auction. Prior to even starting the process we met with Neil to discuss his concerns about how the auction would be put together, how the lots would be staged, and how the items would be described. We met with Neil again when he previewed the auction setup from beginning to end, and asked questions on items that needed more description, and where he obtained some of the various pieces. When the descriptions were completed, Neil offered suggestions, and made changes to several of the Lion Tech related items. Neil will also approve the catalog prior to its publication and distribution. Neil is fully involved, and I can assure you that all the details were covered.
In addition to the items shown in the press release the auction will cover trains and accessories from the prewar, postwar and modern eras. Just a few of the prototypes from the archives are the 57 AEC, 2352 Pennsylvania, 2367 Wabash, 2242 New Haven, and many others. This will be a auction for the ages.
Lastly, since I set the lots, and wrote the descriptions, I think I have the correct facts.
Best regards,
Randall Giroux
Hi Randall,
Thanks for the response! I never meant to imply that Neil was not involved in the process, I've just heard that it may not have been solely his decision, as I don't think it would have been considering that Pegi does have a large say in what happens to a large amount of their property. I'm not here to judge what did or didn't motivate this sale, it really doesn't matter.
As to the details I am very glad that Neil has been along to help. He would be the guy with the history on the scarce items. I'm sure you know with other high end items that getting the details right is key and the reality is that even the best of us miss details at times. Looking forward to seeing the catalog and bidding with your group in December.
All the best,
Derek
Randall posted:Not sure who your sources are, but they are not accurate. First of all Neil has been and will continue to be fully involved in the process of producing the auction. Prior to even starting the process we met with Neil to discuss his concerns about how the auction would be put together, how the lots would be staged, and how the items would be described. We met with Neil again when he previewed the auction setup from beginning to end, and asked questions on items that needed more description, and where he obtained some of the various pieces. When the descriptions were completed, Neil offered suggestions, and made changes to several of the Lion Tech related items. Neil will also approve the catalog prior to its publication and distribution. Neil is fully involved, and I can assure you that all the details were covered.
In addition to the items shown in the press release the auction will cover trains and accessories from the prewar, postwar and modern eras. Just a few of the prototypes from the archives are the 57 AEC, 2352 Pennsylvania, 2367 Wabash, 2242 New Haven, and many others. This will be a auction for the ages.
Lastly, since I set the lots, and wrote the descriptions, I think I have the correct facts.
Best regards,
Randall Giroux
Looks like other auction houses, like Stout, could take a little direction from this.
Phoebe Snow Route posted:Randall posted:Not sure who your sources are, but they are not accurate. First of all Neil has been and will continue to be fully involved in the process of producing the auction. Prior to even starting the process we met with Neil to discuss his concerns about how the auction would be put together, how the lots would be staged, and how the items would be described. We met with Neil again when he previewed the auction setup from beginning to end, and asked questions on items that needed more description, and where he obtained some of the various pieces. When the descriptions were completed, Neil offered suggestions, and made changes to several of the Lion Tech related items. Neil will also approve the catalog prior to its publication and distribution. Neil is fully involved, and I can assure you that all the details were covered.
In addition to the items shown in the press release the auction will cover trains and accessories from the prewar, postwar and modern eras. Just a few of the prototypes from the archives are the 57 AEC, 2352 Pennsylvania, 2367 Wabash, 2242 New Haven, and many others. This will be a auction for the ages.
Lastly, since I set the lots, and wrote the descriptions, I think I have the correct facts.
Best regards,
Randall Giroux
Looks like other auction houses, like Stout, could take a little direction from this.
Agreed!!! Thanks, Randall, for setting the record straight with accurate information.
David
Phoebe Snow Route posted:Looks like other auction houses, like Stout, could take a little direction from this.
Brian,
Could you elaborate further on what direction you think we should be taking?
We are always open to constructive feedback.
Thanks,
Derek
Notch 6 posted:Phoebe Snow Route posted:Looks like other auction houses, like Stout, could take a little direction from this.
Brian,
Could you elaborate further on what direction you think we should be taking?
We are always open to constructive feedback.
Thanks,
Derek
I was just going to ask the same thing.
Dennis LaGrua posted:Neil Young must be pushing 75 years of age . At this stage he probably wants to simplify his life or perhaps he needs extra funds for high living expenses. Nothing lasts forever and one day the trains of every forum member will be sold..
Not me! I am taking them with me!
Here is the link for the Neil Young auction. Online bidding is now underway.
https://www.julienslive.com/m/...?page=1&items=96
The following link is for the online version of the auction catalog.
https://www.juliensauctions.co.../flipbook/index.html
Enjoy, there is some neat and truly rare items in this auction.
Randall
Randall posted:
Wow!!! That's the nicest auction catalog I've seen in quite some time. In an era when everybody is walking around with a camera in their smart phone (and "good enough" photography is now the everyday norm), it's nice to appreciate what a professionally photographed auction catalog looks like!!! VERY nicely done. Appears to be a first-class production -- not to mention some truly unique offerings in the auction. 
David
Looks like Neil really raided the larder when working with Lionel - so many prototypes in this auction that existence has only been hinted at in the past - HE GRABBED ALL OF THEM!.
Jim
LOL, the prototype NW-2 switcher on page 97 sure looks like a General Model Toys engine to me.
That was pretty neat to look at.
Jim Waterman posted:Looks like Neil really raided the larder when working with Lionel - so many prototypes in this auction that existence has only been hinted at in the past - HE GRABBED ALL OF THEM!.
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I do recall seeing that prototype ZW-D with the push-buttons displayed at York. I can't recall if it was ever catalog'd, but I know it never made its way into full production. Ultimately, Lionel produced the ZW-L many years later.
I also thought it was cool seeing the "Lionel Lines" prototype MU cars that first made their way into production as Erie Lackawanna units if I recall correctly.
Just for grins, I might have been interested in bidding on the SECOND Vision Line BNSF ES44 (road number 6436 I think), if Neil had that in his collection. But I only saw the GE and Canadian Pacific ES44's in the catalog. 
David
I'll take ALL the Lionel. Just give me a number. 
(Oh, yeah. Sure.)
Well my, my, my. I just thought this was another fake news story.
Oh well, it's always good to have plenty of room to back track on your facts and statements.
aussteve posted:Well my, my, my. I just thought this was another fake news story.
Oh well, it's always good to have plenty of room to back track on your facts and statements.
Taking an interesting thread and turning it into a ****ing contest. Sad.
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When does this end? Did it already?
When does this end? Did it already?
Currently the auction is open for online bidding. The live auction will take place on December 9th and will offer online, live (in house), and telephone bidding.
Randall
C W Burfle posted:LOL, the prototype NW-2 switcher on page 97 sure looks like a General Model Toys engine to me.
CW,
That is exactly what the NW-2 is in its first incarnation. I was told that there is a photograph of this locomotive on the showroom layout or in some advertising, but not sure where or when that was done.
Randall
Randall posted:C W Burfle posted:LOL, the prototype NW-2 switcher on page 97 sure looks like a General Model Toys engine to me.
CW,
That is exactly what the NW-2 is in its first incarnation. I was told that there is a photograph of this locomotive on the showroom layout or in some advertising, but not sure where or when that was done.
Randall
In 1948 Lionel was in the process of cutting the tooling for the all new NW2 but they needed a stand in for the model for the catalog shots. They purchased a hand full of General Models NW2 switchers which were actually closer to scale than what Lionel produced. Die cast shell, fixed pilots, more scale proportions, etc. Anyway, Lionel painted a few of these up in a basic white scheme with Lionel Lines on the hood and the circle L on the cab sides. It earned the nick name "The Phantom" because it was only seen in a hand full of promo photos on the 1949 showroom layout. It was covered pretty extensively in CTT back in August of 1992.
In 1948 Lionel was in the process of cutting the tooling for the all new NW2 but they needed a stand in for the model for the catalog shots. They purchased a hand full of General Models NW2 switchers which were actually closer to scale than what Lionel produced. Die cast shell, fixed pilots, more scale proportions, etc. Anyway, Lionel painted a few of these up in a basic white scheme with Lionel Lines on the hood and the circle L on the cab sides. It earned the nick name "The Phantom" because it was only seen in a hand full of promo photos on the 1949 showroom layout. It was covered pretty extensively in CTT back in August of 1992.
The one in Mr. Young's sale is painted black.
The title of the caption calls it a prototype. But the details do describe it as a GMC engine used for photographs. I wasn't able to read the text earlier. Don't know why I was able to do so today.
I do recall seeing that prototype ZW-D with the push-buttons displayed at York back in the late nineties.
Lionel needs to catalog this ZW, it gives you both conventional and TMCC and possibly Lionel Chief control of your trains.
Thanks,
Phil
PHILA posted:I do recall seeing that prototype ZW-D with the push-buttons displayed at York back in the late nineties.
Lionel needs to catalog this ZW, it gives you both conventional and TMCC and possibly Lionel Chief control of your trains.
Thanks,
Phil
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If nothing else I like to see the prototypes. To see how what we know as a Legacy HH has evolved and the time to mock these up is incredible.
ed h posted:Wow, some fantastic pieces from the Lionel archives. Anyone notice these ?
Nice!
And maybe the one item in the auction catalog that will be arriving soon from Lionel (2017 Signature V1).
There is all kinds of really interesting stuff in there. I'm sure many of the pieces will garner much attention, and some hefty price tags. I like the 700e that said a sell price of $10,000-20,000. Nice. I would like an Indian themed N.Y. poncho, but didn't bother to check the price on that. I'm thinking less than the 700e, but a tad out of my comfort zone, though not by any fault of form or function.
ed h posted:Wow, some fantastic pieces from the Lionel archives. Anyone notice these ?
They look very similar to the ones Len Carparelli made some time ago. Maybe this is where he got the idea.
