New Lionel MTA Long Island Rail Road Set 6-82192

Anyone know??

@Dave Olson

My issue is that all M-7 cars (and M-1,2,3,4,5,6...) are semi-permanently coupled is pairs.  IE: there will ALWAYS be an EVEN number of cars in a consist.

Somehow Lionel missed this salient fact.

Jon

The powered unit has 1 motor.

That's good to know, but why does the catalog say MOTORS as in more then one??

Lionel should let people know of the printing error, as some may not want to purchase the set with just one motor.

There has been much talked here, regarding the last runs of the M-7's with there lack of pulling power, and less then stellar motors.

I'm very disappointed.

Unless your upgrading the motor

They had their cheap starter rs3s listed as having diesel smoke a few catalogs back....   

I would add some more weight over the power truck and see if you get more traction.

http://www.lionel.com/products...ionchief-set-6-82192

3 Cars wont work as they need to match ends. Sounds like some new features added, possibly 2 motors like they should have been on the first set to pull the 2 add-on's. Didn't see add-ons offered on the 2nd offering. I had to add metal plates in the center and fishing line led sinkers on the front. They were jumping the tracks on curves. Might sell my 6 weathered cars sometime this year.

SIRT posted:

http://www.lionel.com/products...ionchief-set-6-82192

 Sounds like some new features added, possibly 2 motors like they should have been on the first set to pull the 2 add-on's. Didn't see add-ons offered on the 2nd offering. 

 

Dave Olson posted:

The powered unit has 1 motor.

I too wish they use 2 motors in the power unit.

Lets see.  They only come with 3 cars right?  I have a single engine LC+ engine that will put 10 cars on a 2.5% grade.   Yall plan to pull 20 cars with it ??  : )   I think its a cool set.   Although I have no use for it.  

Jim 

I took two pieces of Williams frames with the motors and connected them to the lead M-7. I had to rework the innards of the M-7 on the ends of the cars to fit the full size motors. It's been running great with 3 cars behind going up a grade for a number of years now. If you look real close you could see a slight difference in the height of the powered unit but when it's running you don't notice.

You would think after having problems with this set it the past Lionel would make some improvements.

Having three cars stinks. Thinking about getting this and using this with my 6 M7 cars, and having two powerd cars.

But that would leave you with two you can't use because of lack of drawbars.

According to TrainWorld, it's 1 motor: https://www.trainworld.com/man...ief-set-w-bluetooth/

I like the design, but I hope the motor won't be like the motors used in the Silver Bells/Polar Express LC sets, very noisy and very poor crawling, then there is the sound, it's either off or distortingly blaring. Wish it was a LC+ set if that is the case.

KOOLJOCK1: The Long Island Rail Road has its fleet in PAIRS of cars. This is from Wikipedia: "The LIRR's electric fleet consists of 836 M7 and 170 M3 electric multiple unit cars in married pairs, meaning each car needs the other one to operate..."

Perhaps someone who is more familiar with LIRR operations than I can elaborate on this.

John

Buy two sets and park the two spare cars on a siding from the homeless people to squat in. Is this the same as the Metro North set with different decals? What abou the sounds? Does it say Grand Central or Penn Station?

Correct!  And true of the earlier fleets going back to the early 70's too!

Jon  

BeeDoop "This is a train to Penn Station... the next stop is Massapequa Park..."

Jon  

I have the Metro North set and they offered an add-on set of 2 additional cars (5 total). With 5 cars it does struggle to pull especially if I go up a grade. I also tried to disassemble one of the cars to put passengers in it and while it was ultimately successful the reassembly was next to impossible to get the doors all lined up and working without falling out or falling in. I won't bother trying to put passengers in the rest just because it was far too much of a pain to do.

carsntrains posted:

Lets see.  They only come with 3 cars right?  I have a single engine LC+ engine that will put 10 cars on a 2.5% grade.   Yall plan to pull 20 cars with it ??  : )   I think its a cool set.   Although I have no use for it.  

Jim 

Jim, most users, such as myself, would not be running it with the puny 3-car consist.  Passenger trains - even in O - look better when they are long, not looking like a shuttle service between 2 stops.  While it would be nice to run a prototypical LIRR/Metro North consist of at least 8 cars, that's a pipe dream as just trying to run it with 6 cars (in the original 4-car set form  plus 2 add-ons) left the locomotive struggling to move on the track in the designed 6-car set by Lionel. 

Lionel has gone on the cheap with the M7's  , first being underpowered from the beginning and now with every set being introduced only coming with the ridiculous 3 cars.  You would think with the upgrade to LionChief that they would have given it two motors.  

There a Metro North M7 8-Car Video  on YouTube where the model railroader modified the drawbars and ran two 4-car consist connected together.  It's a beautiful sight to watch and a video that I watch on a regular basis.  Maybe one of these days I'll do the same thing.  Here's a video of my Metro North M7 5-Car Consist  that I posted in 2015.

It would be cool if lionel would make a full scale 4 car set like the subways it would be a very nice train with a full sound set and of course at that level it would definitely have 2 motors. 

Not sure why we are still talking about these? Cars don't have real couplers nor are they true O scale. An experiment at best. No room inside for another motor anyway.

SIRT posted:

http://www.lionel.com/products...ionchief-set-6-82192

3 Cars wont work as they need to match ends. Sounds like some new features added, possibly 2 motors like they should have been on the first set to pull the 2 add-on's. Didn't see add-ons offered on the 2nd offering. I had to add metal plates in the center and fishing line led sinkers on the front. They were jumping the tracks on curves. Might sell my 6 weathered cars sometime this year.

 

I am having the same issues with them derailig on the curve 

could you give me as much detail for what you did to remedy the problem. I am not handy - but will have my local hobby shop so the modifications 

thanks!

Sorry. I said it all through the years. Nothing left to say except to avoid this inferior product. Lets move on now. 

Technically yes 

sentimentally no