Here is a video of my MTH Premier NKP Berkshire that was upgraded from PS1 to PS3. Do you like the LEGACY 765 whistle better than this one? Or vise-versus?
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Without a direct video comparison, it is hard to answer your question.
Hot Water posted:Without a direct video comparison, it is hard to answer your question.
Here's a link to a YouTube video I found online... it's an Eric's Trains video. Click here to view video.
Legacy whistle (Lionel) is not always accurate per the prototype, but I prefer the quality of the Legacy sound even if it is less accurate. It sounds more like the real thing to me. Others will disagree.
Just my opinion but, I think the whistle on the MTH 765 is more prototypical. And yes, I have been around the real NKP 765 since about 1979 or so.
Scrapiron Scher posted:Legacy whistle (Lionel) is not always accurate per the prototype, but I prefer the quality of the Legacy sound even if it is less accurate. It sounds more like the real thing to me. Others will disagree.
I will agree that the sound quality on LEGACY engines is better than MTH, but I like the whistle on the MTH berks better.
Hot Water posted:Just my opinion but, I think the whistle on the MTH 765 is more prototypical. And yes, I have been around the real NKP 765 since about 1979 or so.
I volunteer on it sometimes and the MTH whistle doesn't have as much bass, but it does sound more prototypical than the Lionel berks.
Honestly, I cannot tell the difference.
You can hear the real thing if you head to NE Ohio in September. FWRHS has just announced a Throttle Time event on the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic RR this fall.
Check out the details HERE!
TrainMan1225 posted:The whistle on MTH’s NKP 765 is more accurate to how the 765’s whistle sounds today, but Lionel’s version sounds almost exactly the same as the 765’s whistle in the 80s/90s
OK, please clarify that, i.e. what changed with the whistle on 765 from the "80s/90s" to today?
The whistle of today on the real 765 sounds the same as it would have been in the 80s and early 90s. 1993 was the last year the 765 ran before she was laid up for the major overhaul.
We ran a few years in the early 2000s where the whistle didn’t sound right because it needed repairs. It did not sound “right” but it worked. The whistle has long since been repaired and sounds today as it should and as it sounded in the 80s and 90s.
OGR Webmaster posted:The whistle of today on the real 765 sounds the same as it would have been in the 80s and early 90s. 1993 was the last year the 765 ran before she was laid up for the major overhaul.
We ran a few years in the early 2000s where the whistle didn’t sound right because it needed repairs. It did not sound “right” but it worked. The whistle has long since been repaired and sounds today as it should and as it sounded in the 80s and 90s.
Thanks for the info, Rich. I remember using the whistle quite a bit when we were running in freight service on the TP&W, back in May of 1980. To my old ears, it sounded pretty much as it does now.
Just out of curiosity, what was the reason for the whistle sounding like this in 1992? https://youtu.be/OuGLUCSWOyg?t=307
Was it a different whistle entirely or the same whistle tuned differently? To me, that's what the Lionel whistle resembles.
Nick
Nick's Tracks posted:Just out of curiosity, what was the reason for the whistle sounding like this in 1992? https://youtu.be/OuGLUCSWOyg?t=307
Was it a different whistle entirely or the same whistle tuned differently? To me, that's what the Lionel whistle resembles.
Nick
Just my opinion but, that doesn't sound any "different" to me, except of course that it is recorder from inside the cab.
Hot Water posted:Nick's Tracks posted:Just out of curiosity, what was the reason for the whistle sounding like this in 1992? https://youtu.be/OuGLUCSWOyg?t=307
Was it a different whistle entirely or the same whistle tuned differently? To me, that's what the Lionel whistle resembles.
Nick
Just my opinion but, that doesn't sound any "different" to me, except of course that it is recorder from inside the cab.
Yeah, being inside the cab could certainly be what's slightly altering the sound, at least for my ears. Nonetheless, I prefer the Lionel berk whistle more due to its superior quilling ability.
TrainMan1225 posted:The whistle on MTH’s NKP 765 is more accurate to how the 765’s whistle sounds today, but Lionel’s version sounds almost exactly the same as the 765’s whistle in the 80s/90s
Hey that's my Legacy NKP 765!
Don't forget the latest MTH PS3 release which differs from the PS2 NKP Berks. This is my 755 for comparison. The new NKP USRA Heavy Pacifics have the same whistle.
TrainMan1225 posted:Just so I can clear everything up, it is the same whistle from the 80s to today (from NKP 700), but it does sound a little different (likely from aging). In my last clip, I think there was a little bit of Doppler going on, so now I’ll compare the sounds, using cab rides to minimize the Doppler effect.
Excellent example of what your talking about and I agree 100%.
The whistle in the early video sounds cleaner and you can hear the harmony of the chimes better on the low end.
The whistle on the more recent video is more raspy/ worn sounding.
Here is another example of the whistle from 1992 from FWRHS's YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/H2XFjFvGCTg?t=144
The "old" sound and present day sound difference seems much more subtle with this example, especially at the high range. Although, the mid and low range sounds so much cleaner and melodic, as RickO mentioned above.
Nick's Tracks posted:Just out of curiosity, what was the reason for the whistle sounding like this in 1992? https://youtu.be/OuGLUCSWOyg?t=307
Was it a different whistle entirely or the same whistle tuned differently? To me, that's what the Lionel whistle resembles.
Nick
Sounds the same as it always has to me.
Some nice scenes of former NKP 765 engineer Tom Stephens running in that video. Tom passed away about a month ago. 
