I have recently picked up an O Gauge Williams model of this engine. I have been looking at the large "U" shaped pipe, that straddles the top of the cylinder on the Firemans side.
Is this a balancing valve of sorts on the exhaust steam to the smokebox? I noticed there seems to be similar but smaller ones on other smaller NYC steam.
Al
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I think a photo would be very helpful for this one.
OK, never mind the photo, I went upstairs and looked at a photo of the Fireman's side.
That whole arrangement is part of the Worthington Feedwater pumping system. The very large diameter, insulation wrapped pipe that is right over the left cylinder/valve, is the heated water supply from the Worthington exhaust steam "heating tank"mounted in front of the stack, to the Worthington Boiler water Pump (which is steam driven, and controlled by the Fireman).
Hope this helps.
Wasn't it placed there due to tight tolerances/height retrictions on the NYC?
Wasn't it placed there due to tight tolerances/height retrictions on the NYC?
Don't know about THAT, but most steam locomotives with the Worthington Type S Feedwater system, have the Boiler Water Pump mounted on the Fireman's side, under the walkway. Most are close up towards the left side cylinder, a few like UP FEF-3 locomotives that received the up-grade to the Worthington system, have the pump further back, over the #2 or #3 driver.
Wasn't it placed there due to tight tolerances/height retrictions on the NYC?
No, that has nothing to do with it.
What Jack has described is the "normal" routing for the piping associated with the Worthington feedwater heater.
Very Interesting. I should of thought of that, as the Niagara boiler is very sparse without piping. Any idea of what colour the cab interior was? I am assumming it was green like most other engines. Al
Any idea of what colour the cab interior was? I am assumming it was green like most other engines. Al
Probably. Most railroads used that same green, and it even carried over into diesel locomotive production. Customers of EMD diesels where give a choice of "suede gray" or that "jade green", right up into the 21st century.
The cab interior roof, which was tongue and groove wood, was painted a dark "forest like green". The inside cab walls were also painted this color. There was a locker with a door, having the approximate dimensional shape of an old phone booth immediately behind the engineer. The door was green also. The boiler backhead and the floor were both metal, as was the cab apron.From my experience on a Niagara, the floor was "coal black" from soot and debris. The backhead was a little cleaner but also a "near black". The gauges had brass bezels but it was not polished but "stained" with dirt, and the paint on the handles for the throttle, independent and train air, pam valve for the whistle, and the Precision power reverse wheel were all shiny metal, any paint having been worn off (by August, 1953). (By this date Niagaras also had a single tone air horn which was activated with a pull rope "near the engineer's ear".) I learned later that the green that NYC used was known by NYC as "J-3A green", having had its first use on Super Hudsons. (NYCSHS does not have this color match in its files, but I can advise that NYC diesels including Alco RS3's and probably GM power like F7's, etc. were also painted this color.) You can get some idea of the color by looking at slides of NYC power for sale on eB**, as some road switcher photos were taken with a cab door open and this green is obvious. Many railroads had a version of this green, and it was commonly referred to as "safety green".
the Worthington SA system actually had two pumps. a cold water pump that would startup automatically when the water level in the smokebox tank was low...
and the hot water pump which, as was described, was under the control of the fireman.
both pictures of a 1:8 model NKP Berkshire.
cheers...gary
Great 1/8 scale...here are some 1:1 pics....
with my little guys...
The Worthington system was originally contained on the fireman's side of the boiler. It was BIG! Baldwin 3-cylinder compound 4-10-2 in The Train Factory (formerly Railroad Hall) still has it. Parts are labeled for visitors. The bottom was visible under the skirt of streamlined N&W K-class 4-8-2's. N&W Y and Y6a 2-8-8-2's had it, too. Y-6b's had separate components, like NYC Niagaras, 765, and other modern power.
The Worthington system was originally contained on the fireman's side of the boiler. It was BIG! Baldwin 3-cylinder compound 4-10-2 in The Train Factory (formerly Railroad Hall) still has it. Parts are labeled for visitors. The bottom was visible under the skirt of streamlined N&W K-class 4-8-2's. N&W Y and Y6a 2-8-8-2's had it, too. Y-6b's had separate components, like NYC Niagaras, 765, and other modern power.
That was the Worthington "BL" type feed water system. The Worthington system on the NYC Niagara Class locomotives, and other more modern locomotives is the "S" or "SA" type, and doesn't look anything like that HUGE "BL".
Yup...big is right....
The cab interior roof, which was tongue and groove wood, was painted a dark "forest like green". The inside cab walls were also painted this color. There was a locker with a door, having the approximate dimensional shape of an old phone booth immediately behind the engineer. The door was green also. The boiler backhead and the floor were both metal, as was the cab apron.From my experience on a Niagara, the floor was "coal black" from soot and debris. The backhead was a little cleaner but also a "near black". The gauges had brass bezels but it was not polished but "stained" with dirt, and the paint on the handles for the throttle, independent and train air, pam valve for the whistle, and the Precision power reverse wheel were all shiny metal, any paint having been worn off (by August, 1953). (By this date Niagaras also had a single tone air horn which was activated with a pull rope "near the engineer's ear".) I learned later that the green that NYC used was known by NYC as "J-3A green", having had its first use on Super Hudsons. (NYCSHS does not have this color match in its files, but I can advise that NYC diesels including Alco RS3's and probably GM power like F7's, etc. were also painted this color.) You can get some idea of the color by looking at slides of NYC power for sale on eB**, as some road switcher photos were taken with a cab door open and this green is obvious. Many railroads had a version of this green, and it was commonly referred to as "safety green".
Hudson5432, I'd love to stop and buy you a cup of coffee on my next trip through Erie; I'd love to hear some stories of NYC power!
Thanks,
Mario
(mscalzo3-at-juno.com)
Hotwater said... OK, never mind the photo, I went upstairs and looked at a photo of the Fireman's side.
Wow, a few more questions like this one and we'd have ol' Hotwater in pretty good shape. 
Darned right! And I NEED it too!!!!
Mario,
Thanks for the offer. I must tell you that my visit to the cab of #6007 was when I was 10 yrs old. Obviously, it left quite an impression.........
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