In a never ending quest to plan my new layout I have come to the realization that I need to make it as small as possible. Its amazing how quickly your basement fills up with junk. I have designed a layout that has everything I want: continuous running with a lot of switching opportunities. This layout while it is 30' is only 7' wide. I need to keep the layout as skinny as possible because all of our stuff is stored on the other side of it. Still a bit of tweaking but maybe O scale is doable in a small space after all?
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Will:
Like the design. Are you going for a 36" or 40" radius on the ends?
Hello willbacker45.......
I LIKE it !!!!!!!!!! but my room is like 10 by 13 LOL.
the woman who loves toy trains
Tiffany
7 x 30 is a small space?
Try 11 x 11 . . .
That's not a bad space Will, you can do a lot in there. It looks very good.
Will, if you flip the produce distributor sidings arrangement East to West (end to end) so the customer's turnouts coming off the passing siding will be positioned points to points you will then be switching off the siding and keeping the main clear.
I agree with Tom here. Otherwise a very good plan!
Stephen
Looks freakin sweet Will!
7 x 30 is a small space? Wow! My living room isn't that long & I would not even have 9" a side to slide along the sides of the room. I have an "L" layout, the main section is 4'8" deep by 8'6" wide, fits tight to 3 walls, and has an "L" 6" long & 3'8" deep. Just enough room to turn Lionel O-36 Fastrack in a 180 degree loop. I'm in the process of putting a painted backdrop on foam board panels around the walls, will be mounted by using silicone sealer onto furring strips to studs in walls, the backdrop will also have wall braces (that's why the furring strips will be screwed through the walls to the studs) mounted to it to hold up my trolley track running along the walls ( third level) and I have a second level built in the garage in sections to put on the layout using 7 inch high - 1-1/4 diameter wood dowels for the supports to hold it up.
For noise reduction I use 1/2 " thick and wider than the Fastrack, black foam to silence the rumble, firm enough to hold the track and trains up but enough give to knock down that "Fastrack Rumble" on top of green felt over 1/2 thick plywood with 2 x 4 frame construction. Can't go any longer as I come up to the kitchen entrance on the main section and the front door on the "L" section. Sorry, NO **** Gate Bridges!
Since I can't go longer I'm just going higher. Now that's a small space my friends!LOL!
OK, here are my suggestions:
1. It's [ almost ] always a good idea to go with the largest minimum main line radius you can. From the plan it looks like the left side is not quite as wide as the right -- is that correct ? Can both sides be brought out to the same maximum ? If so, I would make that dimension govern the main line radius.
2. Make the lift bridge section parallel to the 30 ft dimension and have the main run 'straight' across to the other end curve. As a result of this the coal mine area is now located off the main; it would be reached by a 'branch from the town at the top, with a tighter radius of course. While the main at the right side is mostly in tunnel, the branch is mostly visible except for a shorter tunnel. The mine trackage would be flipped 180; the conveyor can still be laid out as is, as the branch could continue [ or maybe did continue at one time ] farther up the valley, or "hollow" if you prefer.
Increased operating interest "requires" that coal trains change direction in the town, too
3. It seems a shame to have so much "table space" devoted to staging. So let's take the staging "on stage" and make this a yard, with perhaps two through tracks and the rest stub end, switched from the left. Add a 'dummy' track coming in from the lower right, and this is [ also ] your interchange yard with the XYZ Class 1. You now have a number of options:
a) You can build an interchange consist on a through track. Sometimes "during the night" the XYZ comes in and exchanges the inbound for the outbound cars there.
b) If you have some XYZ power, or desire some, your crew can put the power on ready for the XYZ crew.
c) The transfer to the XYZ can be made your your road's power. The nice thing about this scenario is that when the xfer job returns, the crew goes off duty, but leaves the power on the train. Instant prototypical staging at no charge. Another crew then sorts the incoming train and builds eb and wb [ or whatever ] trains.
If you have, say, runthough coal trains the XYZ or pool power stays on; again, prototypical. You get the idea.
4. I'd build the coal mine, town, etc as "structually removable sections", eg, quasi-modules, so if/when you move you can salvage some work. { It usually never works out that way, but it's a thought !] Give the coal mine and staging area their own backboards [ which are back to back, of course ] to facilitate this.
Those are my thoughts -- YTMV, and it's YOUR railroad.
Best, SZ
Just a thought;
Why not build a layout around the walls, for a longer run, and relocate the accumulated "junk" in the middle of the room.
It would act as a view block, and make the layout look bigger as well.
I like your design. For 2 rail O scale I would try and fit the biggest radius curves possible, who knows at somepoint in the future you may want to run bigger locomotives.
Again just my opinion.Your yard design/sidings are well thought out..
Looks Good! Build what you goy....who knows? then you might have a yard sale? Can we say>ADD-ON in the future?
Thanks everyone! I am still trying to figure out how exactly it is all going to pan out but I am excited.
I know that some of you dont think that this is a small space, but for O Scale it is hard to fit everything that you want.
will, at least you have a nice 30' run. as I would love to have this space for a layout.
if only you lived closer.
SO!....You have the track plan: Is the layout done yet?
7 x 30 is a small space?
Try 11 x 11 . . .
Yep, that's just a bit shy of the space I have. I would dearly love to have a 30' length available.
Yep. I am 2 1/2 x 20. I run east and west, really.
Dick
Haha I wish Jim!
Well get to work man...
Chris, the problem is I just keep coming up with new plans...I have probably redrawn this thing at least 40 times and I just cant make up my mind about what I want to do. Here is my latest rendition and so far I like it the best....I think
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I hear ya...It can be a challenge but remember not to rush (there is no hurry) and try not to over think it to much. There will have to be a happy medium between what you want to incorporate, and what you have room for which is not always easy not to mention there will never be that "perfect" layout, we are always expanding, modifying and flat out ripping up and starting over...it's always changing. What you have there is very nice, you have some nice switching opportunities, along with a good yard and a nice sized loop for running....to me it is a great starting point. But in the end make sure you are happy....
Hi Will, Looks like you are close to getting started. Something to keep in mind is that you will learn a lot with this layout that will provide you a great advantage for your new layout.
When you are running on this layout there will be things that will come up and you can make slight modifications.
Looks to me that you are about ready for the visit to Home Depot/Lowes. Good Luck.
Regarding minimum radius, use the largest radius that you can and "always" use easements going into and out of the curve on the main line. I have a small shortline layout with an active interchange and three towns in 10' x 16' and use 36" radius curves on the main line railroad connection (mostly hidden) that circles around the room. With 36" radius and easements, I can run my friends locomotives that require much greater than 36" radius with no problem. The easements make the difference because the locomotive don't slam into the curve, then jerk and derail. I also use 24" radius on my short line (again with easements where I can) and #4 switches and have no problems running the short line and switching cars (40' maximum) on my railroad. Yes my shortline uses GE 44 and 45 Ton locomotive with the shorter cars. Cars 50' and over are a pain because of the overhang, so I only have one or two for special movements. Good luck. I wish I had your space. I love switching, too.
Will, given the current room size what is the maximum radius curve that you can squeeze into your plan? Some enjoy running smaller engines so maybe larger curves are not the issue. It is still a fair amount of room, just about what I have but I am 3 rail.