Looks beautiful Pat!!! Can't wait 
Looks great, Pat!! Just what I wanted as a J3a. Thanks for arranging this special version and confirming my preorder. 
Bob
Hey, Thanks for all of your support. These beautiful engines are now sold out.
Thanks
Best Regards
Pat
Hey, Guys
I keep getting E-Mails from customers asking me to make more than the 25 engines and my answer is no. The reason is that if we produce more than the 25 pieces this engine will not be a limited run and I will not go back on my word. There are other dealers making limited run pieces and they are making as many as they can sell. I feel this takes the thrill out of buying a limited run item.
Thanks
Pat
PATSTRAINS posted:Hey, Guys
I keep getting E-Mails from customers asking me to make more than the 25 engines and my answer is no. The reason is that if we produce more than the 25 pieces this engine will not be a limited run and I will not go back on my word. There are other dealers making limited run pieces and they are making as many as they can sell. I feel this takes the thrill out of buying a limited run item.
Thanks
Pat
Pat, Pat, Pat. I applaud you. 
For those people that can't see what Pat is all about, he's turning away (possible) extra profit of a larger run to ensure he holds true to his word of only making 25 units. Pat stuck a stake in the ground before he had a single order. He's standing by that instead of throwing his promise to the wayside to grab a few extra dollars.
Pat, you are a moral upstanding man. You set the parameters for your custom run offering for this loco and you're standing by that. That, my fellow OGR forumites, is the definition of integrity. Applaud him, don't ask him to go back on his word.
Stu
Hey, Guys
These engines are here.
Thanks
Pat
Patrick’s Trains
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UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Hey, Guys We are proud to announce that Lionel will be producing a Exclusive run of The NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson. This engine will not have Whitewall tires or white stripe but will have Boxpok drivers and no mixed wheels. This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed. These engines are sure to sell out fast because there will only be 25 produced and only sold through Patrick's Trains. Please view the details below. The best of the best! The J3a represented the ultimate development of the Hudson type - a locomotive synonymous with the New York Central. Introduced in 1937, the J3 held prime passenger assignments until the arrivals of the Niagara's nearly a decade later. Over two decades of service, the appearance of the class changed as well. This new release, the first in over 15 years by Lionel. LEGACY® Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY® Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer Bluetooth® Control - Operate with Universal Remote or LionChief App Odyssey™ II Speed Control LEGACY™ RailSounds™ sound system featuring: CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog DynaChuff™ synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed LEGACY® "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals Single hit or continuous bell sounds Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive Current speed and fuel dialog, coal-loading sound effects IR Transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™ Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel Wireless Tether™ connection between locomotive and tender ElectroCoupler™ on rear of tender Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive Traction tires Interior illumination in cab Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks Die-cast metal tender body and trucks High level of separately applied metal details Separately applied builder’s plate Synchronized fan-driven smoke unit Adjustable smoke output Authentically detailed cab interior Cab "glass" windows Engineer and fireman figures ADDITIONAL FEATURES: Whistle Steam
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Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.
I can’t wait for her to arrive.
Mike
For anyone like me who uses the first unread post feature, start at the beginning of this thread for additional pictures and a video of this version of the J3A Hudson.
Mine is on the way also.
You have a winner here Pat. Good work. Those who ordered this one get the prize. Had Lionel done 5405 like this I would have been all over it.
Pete
November 19, 2019 ...Pat,
I have not received an email notice or invoice for my New York Central JA3 #5416. When did you send out the invoices or PayPal requests? I called last week and you were not sure when the Hudson would arrive at your store. I just re-checked my email and have not received an invoice. Thanks you for the opportunity to add this engine to my railroad.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
Wow Pat that is absolutely awesome!
Just checked USPS tracking, mine is "Out for Delivery."
Dang Pat, these look really great. If I didn't order so much already, I'd pick one up from you.
PATSTRAINS posted:Hey, Thanks for all of your support. These beautiful engines are now sold out.
Thanks
Best Regards
Pat
Pat posted the above back on 2/28/19. If any are available to purchase there must have been cancelations.
If there were and I had some extra money, I would.
I'm very happy to say that I was one of the lucky 25 who were able to purchase one of these limited run NYC J3As from Patrick. Can't wait to receive mine!
Pat
Me too! Did anyone see the Hudson modification that @Norton did in the past? Maybe he'll chime in, but I think one of the modifications was a Precision Scale Headlights. I think it improved it so much that I would almost consider doing that to this one.
Thanks so much, Pat, for doing this run.
Thanks Larry. Its not that hard. the one mounted on my 5444 was an uncored headlight (4420) which meant I had to drill it out to install the Lionel number plates in the sides. PSC also offers ones already cored (4743). This is one of them. The reflector has been painted with Molotow Chrome. I make my own lenses.
Pete
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Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform? I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.
Larry Mullen posted:Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform? I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.
I did keep the original platform primarily because of the number plate and emblem. To make a lens I just measure the diameter of the opening. Then find a drill bit with the same diameter. Chuck it up in drill press or drill motor backwards and file, sand, and polish the back end to an acceptable radius. Then find a piece of steel or brass at least 1/8" thick and drill a clean hole in it with that same drill. Reverse the drill and start punching out lenses.
Pete
ezmike posted:Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.
I can’t wait for her to arrive.
Mike
Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed.
Norton posted:Larry Mullen posted:Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform? I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.
I did keep the original platform primarily because of the number plate and emblem. To make a lens I just measure the diameter of the opening. Then find a drill bit with the same diameter. Chuck it up in drill press or drill motor backwards and file, sand, and polish the back end to an acceptable radius. Then find a piece of steel or brass at least 1/8" thick and drill a clean hole in it with that same drill. Reverse the drill and start punching out lenses.
Pete
Thank you. I'm not sure I understand where the clear lens part actually comes from?? Or are you using the Lionel lens and making it fit? Sorry, just not following. That said, have any for sale??
Was the Lionel headlight fixture attached by a screw or will I need to use the Dremel to remove it?
Thanks again, Pete.
I received a tracking number today. I am eager to see the #5416 next to the #5415.
I did think the factory was sending the #5416 engines with the classification lights on the engine, since it would be easier to install the boiler front without classification lights later. Hopefully arrangements were made for adding the lights so a service trip is not necessary.
Either way, I am thrilled to get this new Hudson. My other Hudson runs smoothly and sounds great.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
breezinup posted:ezmike posted:Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.
I can’t wait for her to arrive.
Mike
Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed.
Looking behind the installed boiler front I do not see any wiring for the class lights. It remains to be seen whether the replacement boiler front has LEDs or not.
Larry Mullen posted:Norton posted:Larry Mullen posted:Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform? I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.
I did keep the original platform primarily because of the number plate and emblem. To make a lens I just measure the diameter of the opening. Then find a drill bit with the same diameter. Chuck it up in drill press or drill motor backwards and file, sand, and polish the back end to an acceptable radius. Then find a piece of steel or brass at least 1/8" thick and drill a clean hole in it with that same drill. Reverse the drill and start punching out lenses.
Pete
Thank you. I'm not sure I understand where the clear lens part actually comes from?? Or are you using the Lionel lens and making it fit? Sorry, just not following. That said, have any for sale??
Was the Lionel headlight fixture attached by a screw or will I need to use the Dremel to remove it?
Thanks again, Pete.
Larry, I just use some bubble wrap for the lens material if its clear and smooth enough. You will have cut the headlight off the platform. When I did this I bought a spare 5444 headlight to sacrifice. You may want to hold off until you see if Lionel will have spares for your engine. Another option is get the 5444 headlight and renumber it for your engine.
Pete
GregM posted:breezinup posted:ezmike posted:Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.
I can’t wait for her to arrive.
Mike
Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed.
Looking behind the installed boiler front I do not see any wiring for the class lights. It remains to be seen whether the replacement boiler front has LEDs or not.
While talking with Pat today, I specifically asked if the boiler front with the class lights will have LEDs, he said yes they will.
GregM posted:GregM posted:breezinup posted:ezmike posted:Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.
I can’t wait for her to arrive.
Mike
Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed.
Looking behind the installed boiler front I do not see any wiring for the class lights. It remains to be seen whether the replacement boiler front has LEDs or not.
While talking with Pat today, I specifically asked if the boiler front with the class lights will have LEDs, he said yes they will.
Could it be the one plug handles both headlight and class lights? It should be just feeding power to the boiler front.
If memory does not fail me the J3a came out in 1937 about the time the NYC stopped using classification lights on the main line because of the installation of CTC on the mainline (New York to Chicago}. Latter when they were downgrade to secondary lines that did not have CTC classification lights were added to these engines.
As proof of my above statement about classification lights added to some NYC J3as later go to rr-fallenflag.org and look up NYC Hudsons beginning with number 5400. They are copyrighted so can not reproduced here.
Hey, Guys
We have 1 Hudson left and then they are gone.
Thanks
Pat
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UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Hey, Guys We are proud to announce that Lionel will be producing a Exclusive run of The NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson. This engine will not have Whitewall tires or white stripe but will have Boxpok drivers and no mixed wheels. This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed. These engines are sure to sell out fast because there will only be 25 produced and only sold through Patrick's Trains. Please view the details below. The best of the best! The J3a represented the ultimate development of the Hudson type - a locomotive synonymous with the New York Central. Introduced in 1937, the J3 held prime passenger assignments until the arrivals of the Niagara's nearly a decade later. Over two decades of service, the appearance of the class changed as well. This new release, the first in over 15 years by Lionel. LEGACY® Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY® Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer Bluetooth® Control - Operate with Universal Remote or LionChief App Odyssey™ II Speed Control LEGACY™ RailSounds™ sound system featuring: CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog DynaChuff™ synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed LEGACY® "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals Single hit or continuous bell sounds Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive Current speed and fuel dialog, coal-loading sound effects IR Transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™ Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel Wireless Tether™ connection between locomotive and tender ElectroCoupler™ on rear of tender Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive Traction tires Interior illumination in cab Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks Die-cast metal tender body and trucks High level of separately applied metal details Separately applied builder’s plate Synchronized fan-driven smoke unit Adjustable smoke output Authentically detailed cab interior Cab "glass" windows Engineer and fireman figures ADDITIONAL FEATURES: Whistle Steam
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ns1001 posted:As proof of my above statement about classification lights added to some NYC J3as later go to rr-fallenflag.org and look up NYC Hudsons beginning with number 5400. They are copyrighted so can not reproduced here.
5400-5404 are J1e's and had class lights. 5405 is the first J3a and was built without class lights as were all the rest. Its been pointed out in their last years some were moved west to the Big E and maybe other subs where class lights were still used but this applies only to a handful.
Pete
Its true that probably only a few J3a ever received classification lights even though in Al Staufer's book Thoroughbreds he did several drawings of J3a with classification lights as built. The same arguments were used 18 years ago on this forum when the 2000 J3a Hudsons were released. By 1946 they had a different feedwater system applied which changed their appearance as well as the PT tenders. Don't think you will find a photo of one change being applied without the other.
By the way did order one Friday with the fresh from Alco look. I call these the AF engines since they first did them in 1939 in 3/16 scale.
Correction - did find a photo of 5402 with feedwater change but still with 6 wheel truck tender.
My Lionel 1931800 New York Central Hudson #5416 from Pat's Trains runs perfectly.
Both it and #5415 from Mr. Muffins Trains perform without flaws. I am very pleased. There is no stutter or wobble to the engine as the video shows.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
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Hey, Guys
We have one Hudson left to sell.
Thanks
Pat
Patrick’s Trains
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UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Hey, Guys We are proud to announce that Lionel will be producing a Exclusive run of The NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson. This engine will not have Whitewall tires or white stripe but will have Boxpok drivers and no mixed wheels. This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed. These engines are sure to sell out fast because there will only be 25 produced and only sold through Patrick's Trains. Please view the details below. The best of the best! The J3a represented the ultimate development of the Hudson type - a locomotive synonymous with the New York Central. Introduced in 1937, the J3 held prime passenger assignments until the arrivals of the Niagara's nearly a decade later. Over two decades of service, the appearance of the class changed as well. This new release, the first in over 15 years by Lionel. LEGACY® Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY® Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer Bluetooth® Control - Operate with Universal Remote or LionChief App Odyssey™ II Speed Control LEGACY™ RailSounds™ sound system featuring: CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog DynaChuff™ synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed LEGACY® "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals Single hit or continuous bell sounds Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive Current speed and fuel dialog, coal-loading sound effects IR Transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™ Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel Wireless Tether™ connection between locomotive and tender ElectroCoupler™ on rear of tender Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive Traction tires Interior illumination in cab Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks Die-cast metal tender body and trucks High level of separately applied metal details Separately applied builder’s plate Synchronized fan-driven smoke unit Adjustable smoke output Authentically detailed cab interior Cab "glass" windows Engineer and fireman figures ADDITIONAL FEATURES: Whistle Steam
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Hey, has anyone heard about the status of the boiler front that was to come with the special run Hudson?
Pat, any word from Lionel?
ezmike posted:Hey, has anyone heard about the status of the boiler front that was to come with the special run Hudson?
Pat, any word from Lionel?
I was wondering the same thing. It was supposed to be the "sister engine" to the J3a that comes in the set 5410 with classification lights, but with the extra boiler front with no class lights. I happen to have wanted the classification lights and was a little disappointed when it arrived without class lights so I'm patiently waiting to swap out the boiler fronts.
Pat, can you keep us posted on the forum as to the status of the second boiler front?
ezmike posted:Hey, has anyone heard about the status of the boiler front that was to come with the special run Hudson?
Pat, any word from Lionel?
Have you tried calling Pat? Maybe use @PATSTRAINS to alert him to your inquiry.
