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I appeal to everyone’s greater knowledge than mine of electronics and, specifically, PS3 lighting.

This is a brand new MTH Amtrak ES44AC #2019. Out of the box I thought everything worked but I failed to notice that one of the ditch lights would not come on or flash.

Once I spotted this, feature and factory resets made no difference. Digging around first on the internet for guidance, I found a YouTube video that describes a problem with the spring contacts to MTH ditch lights – as in they don’t reliably make contact with the pads that supply the power and need to be seated carefully. Off came the shell in the hope that this was a simple solution. No such luck, unfortunately; there is something else wrong.

Here are contacts and the pads they should touch in the center of the photo:

 2019_Ditch_Lights

The negative pad is the one towards the front of the engine and the positive pads the two at the rear. I’ll refer to what this picture shows again below.

I first tested the LEDs by putting a depleted 9-volt battery to the respective pairs of springs. This lit the functioning LED but not the other one. On extracting the non-functioning LED from the ditch light housing, it appeared to be cracked at the base. Anyway, it would not light, I pronounced it dead and substituted an Evan Designs 3 mm LED rated for 5-13 VDC. That lit when the battery power was applied, although the color and brightness are not the same as the stock MTH LED. That much I could live with if this feature otherwise worked; I can't track down a stock MTH ditch light LED.

However, on reassembling the engine so the LEDs were powered from the pads, the non-functioning LED still did not work while the other one did. Before this, I had tested the power supply with a multimeter while the shell-less engine was on rollers and set to forward at about 15 scale MPH. If I am reading my multimeter right in terms of decimal point placement, it showed .687 VDC to the pads feeding the functioning LED and .527 VDC to those feeding the non-functioning LED. I didn’t think that difference was critical although it did seem odd.

Taking the shell off again, I did two things. First, I checked the DC current to the sets of pads; the functioning one read 8.73mA while the non-functioning one read .000mA. There was no load, as in the LEDs attached to the pads, when I did this. Second, I tried manually holding the spring contact assembly in place on the pads while the engine was powered on rollers going forward. This showed that the non-functioning LED did in fact light but extremely dimly. So, I deduce that there is some power getting to it but even using a 3 volt LED, the pads for the non-functioning side won’t light it.  (The other pads light it up like a torch and I have only tested it on them for a second so nothing goes up in smoke.)

I have also taken AC voltage and current readings on the pads but won’t repeat them here unless somebody tells me they could be relevant.

The anode pad to the non-functioning LED (at the back of the board) is fed by a brown wire, which I understand from the PS3 upgrade diagram posted elsewhere on the Forum connects to pin 5 on the PS3 board. However, this bit of knowledge does me no good as I have no idea what might be wrong or how to remedy it. I have wondered about re-installing the sound/chain files on this engine but can’t do that this side of Christmas.

Anyone have an idea what’s going on with this engine? In case it matters, I have a revision L TIU that is no more than a year old and the remote shows DCS v. 4.20.

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just power up the suspect bad led with a 3 volt battery if it works its a wiring problem if it does not the led is bad they are cheap and not hard to find!  Digikey or mouser or even eBay.com alos your springs look like they might be bent on an angle you can actually strength them with needle nose pliers, most importantly the springs need to be STRAIGHT up otherwise they might not make contact or even cause a SHORT which would not be good!

Alan

If you want to test if it is the contact pad/wiring back to the 40 pin, swap bulbs in the connector.  If the same side still out, it can be wiring or how the springs make contact inside the plug.  Plenty of times I have to raise the contact pad on chassis by using some tape or washers (nylon) to raise pad.  G

Thanks everyone for the tips, which I have tried BUT the problem persists. The pads for the ditch light that doesn’t work correctly still won’t light a functioning LED other than very dimly. The multimeter reading still shows 0 DC current on those pads but some power is getting through. However, it won’t fully illuminate even the smallest LED I have tried.

I now also notice one other odd thing and wonder if it's related? Two of the ditchlight softkey controls don’t work as described in the DCS manual (5th ed.). When set to AUTO the lights are not on in forward motion but do flash with the horn; when set to ON they are on in forward but will still flash with the horn. This is not what the manual says they should do:

DCS_Manual_P52

The other softkeys OFF and FLS work as they should.

I am on a steep learning curve here and the only other thing I can think of is maybe I need to update my TIU and remote to DCS version 6.0? The remote currently shows v. 4.20.

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gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, if the wiring is intact right to the connector to the PS/3 board, I have bad news for you.  The lighting outputs come directly from the uP and are non-repairable.

Yeah, I feared that might be the case. I can't trace the suspect brown wire all the way back to the board but as there's some power coming from it, I assume it is attached and intact. 😖

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