question - wiring ross/z1000 with non derail

Check to make sure your isolated rail sections are truly isolated from everything else.  Also make sure your isolated rail sections are not touching each other.  I haven't seen that on Ross, but it happens sometimes on Gargraves switches.

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Could you please post a schematic of your derail wiring and the switch arrangement?   That way we can picture what you have and help solve the problem. 

You MUST have individual isolated rails, do not wire two together and make sure they are truly isolated.  Gragraves track can slip and short out the isolated rail.  To be sure the isolated rail is isolated, install insulated rail joiners.

Ok here is hoping a picture is worth a thousands words or enough to show you what I am doing. If you still want schematic I could draw it

picture 1shows all insulated pins between switches and the wire on the straight and turn out section also the relation ship between the two switches.  

Picture 2 below. A closer view of the switch in question

Picture3 below shows intersection wire from controller, switch machine and non derail wire all three from the straight side with tape to denote such. See picture 5 below.  Shows working switch configuration prior to adding non derail (should have pic 5 prior to 3 didn't know how to rearrange)

Pic 4 show other switch wired exactly same way and working properly

Pic 5 show working subject prior to adding non derail.  Note from this point all that has been done is the non derail wires have been added 

thanks for taking the time to look if this is not clear and a drating would be better I can do that as well I thought this might be helpful

It's a little hard to see exactly what you have wired. I would start by wiring both switches to one controller.  Both switches would be lined for the straight only  or diverging route only   with one push of the button.This may save you some wiring head aches.

In photo 2, it looks like a staple that is holding down the diverging inner rail may be touching the inner rail on the main.  If so, that would cause your problem.  Do you have a VOM or continuity checker to see if they are isolated from each other?  Even if you don't have a meter or checker, I would use a screwdriver to pry the staple away from the inner rail on the main line and see if that does the trick.

Lehigh - I don't know how in the world you saw that!  It took me a second to see it live after I was looking for it.    That was exactly what it was.

greg - great idea I think I will

thanks so much for the help and advice!

MSP – Glad I could help.  It was easy to spot the wayward staple.  From your description of the fluttering points, I was pretty sure the two inner rails were in contact so that’s what I was looking for.