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For the first time in quite a while, we are having a bit of a rainy day here in the Ozarks... perfect for running trains and watching videos.  I'll start this thread with a little video I shot today, a passenger train consisting of a Hafner windup and Bing passenger car running around the clockwork layout, with a couple of Marx windups making cameo appearances:

 

 

How about it?  Anyone else have some tinplate videos to share? 

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Nice video WindupGuy! I have 2 questions, if the Hafner is a windup how did you get it to stop n go and the key isn't moving? and, I have 2 Canadian Flyers and am looking for a loco to pull them someday, another site I researched said the set was originally with a 102 and a tender. Would you know if this is the correct number I should look for and what name would be on the tender? I've been watching ebay for a few years now and have not seen a 102, seen 109 and 110, and tenders saying Overland flyer, American flyer and Special. Thanks for any info you may have.-Tim

First of all, thank you to everyone for sharing some great tinplate videos!  Keep them coming!
 
Scott, I believe the turntable is a pre-war Marklin item.  If someone can shed any additional light on it, I would certainly appreciate it.
 

Tim, I'm not well versed on Hafner sets, although there are others on the forum that may be able to answer your questions about the proper locomotive & tender to go with your cars.

 

As far as the key movement is concerned, Hafner motors are what I refer to as "Basket Winders".  The mainspring is contained inside a four-tab basket, which is connected to the key.  The outer end of the mainspring is attached to the basket, so turning the key winds the mainspring from that end.  The inner end of the mainspring is attached to a spring hub, which is geared to the wheels in the conventional manner.  So, as the motor unwinds, the basket, outer end of the mainspring and key remain stationary, while the inner end of the spring drives the spring hub, gears and drivers.  Other windup motors (such as Marx) wind the spring hub, so the key revolves when the motor unwinds.  On those motors, the outer end of the mainspring is attached to the frame of the motor instead of a basket.

 

Starting and stopping the Hafner is easy... I used a string attached to the loco or passenger car to control movement as needed.  In shots where only part of the train is shown, I simply used my hand to control it.  Sorry to spoil the magic, but that's how it was done!  To be fair, most of the time when the locomotive was moving forward, it was doing so with it's own spring power.

 

Thanks for the videos & comments guys! 

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Scott, I believe the turntable is a pre-war Marklin item.  If someone can shed any additional light on it, I would certainly appreciate it.
 

James,

 

I believe the turntable is a Märklin #2130/0 made 1894-1914. They mad a number of turntables in several gauges. Most are pretty easy to find. They made both clockwork and electric models including a model with clockwork track and a clockwork motor that rotates the table to the next position. These are much harder to find.

 

Roland

Roland, thank you very much for the confirmation and additional information.  I was pretty sure it was Marklin, but I didn't realize it was that old.  I've seen a couple of the clockwork powered turntables sell on Ebay, but have yet to win the bid on one, even though they tend to be in less than ideal condition.  Of course, there are two turntables on the layout already... I don't know why I would need a third, but I would gladly make room for one of those!  Thanks again...

Tim
According to the Greenberg book, the only 102 is the coaches themselves. No 102 locomotive. It appears all the 5-1/2 inch coaches were model 102, no matter what name. In a 1919 catalog, the 102 coaches were usually pulled by a 110 or 112. I suspect those are the loco you want. The tender probably be a Overland Flyer type 1180/1190. There was also a set 102, but it had the longer 6-1/2 in cars.
Maybe Gary will chime in with additional or better info.
 
Steve
 
 
Originally Posted by CanAm:

Nice video WindupGuy! I have 2 questions, if the Hafner is a windup how did you get it to stop n go and the key isn't moving? and, I have 2 Canadian Flyers and am looking for a loco to pull them someday, another site I researched said the set was originally with a 102 and a tender. Would you know if this is the correct number I should look for and what name would be on the tender? I've been watching ebay for a few years now and have not seen a 102, seen 109 and 110, and tenders saying Overland flyer, American flyer and Special. Thanks for any info you may have.-Tim

 

Thanks Steve! Appreciate the info! Yes, I have the 5 1/2 inch coaches so now I can look for one of the locos you suggest. I'm betting the other site I referenced was referring to a 102 set now that you say that cause the writer mentioned seeing a set in British Colombia a few years ago and that it was extremely rare to find it, didn't say how much it was worth or if it was even for sale then. For the coaches I have do you know if there was a observation coach or just open hook with no caboose?

 

Thanks again WindupGuy for the secret tips on the video and windup info. Great job!

 

 

Tim

Tim
In the older catalog, all sets with the 102 coaches came without an observation. It appears the 5-1/2" observation did not come on the scene for a number of years after the introduction of the coaches. From what I can tell in the Greenberg book, all observations were Overland Flyer with no road name herald.
 
Steve
 
Originally Posted by CanAm:

Thanks Steve! Appreciate the info! Yes, I have the 5 1/2 inch coaches so now I can look for one of the locos you suggest. I'm betting the other site I referenced was referring to a 102 set now that you say that cause the writer mentioned seeing a set in British Colombia a few years ago and that it was extremely rare to find it, didn't say how much it was worth or if it was even for sale then. For the coaches I have do you know if there was a observation coach or just open hook with no caboose?

 

Thanks again WindupGuy for the secret tips on the video and windup info. Great job!

 

 

Tim

 

Hey guys! Since some of you gave me advice, (Steve especially... awesome list!) I'll just toss this up here. Quick vid of the Marx set I purchased on Friday and had some trouble with this afternoon. I think it was the fact that I was using 30 yards of power lead from transformer to track... too much voltage drop, even for a ZW.

 

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