Re: Lionel 1823050 Mickey Celebration LionChief Set, how to get inside engine to repair smoke unit?

Janet MatternOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I would like to know how to get inside of the engine from the Lionel 1823050 Mickey Celebration LionChief Set. The two screws on the underside of the engine only go to the front wheel assembly and I see no other screws on the underside. Taking the big screw on top of the engine off seems to be of no help either...maybe I am not pulling the shell off right.

The reason I need to go inside of the engine is to get to the smoke unit and look to see if there is something amiss with the batting. I just purchased the set and the only problem so far is with the smoke unit. I initially put ten drops of Lionel smoke fluid in and the engine produced adequate smoke puffs in sequence with the chugging sound like it is suppose to do. When the smoke started to lessen, I placed four more drops in and then the engine stopped producing any smoke at all. Yes, I did blow into the smoke stack to clear any possible bubbles. I thought that maybe I had overfilled the smoke unit; but a Lionel and MTH factory certified technician, who was at the Paradise & Pacific RR layout later that day, did not think that was the case with the amount that I added. He put about three more drops in--note that the engine had not been run for a couple of hours--and ran the engine awhile, then felt the area by the heating element/resistor and indicated that it was warm; he was at a loss to explain why the smoke unit had stopped working without taking things apart.

I know that the engine is under warranty and that I have limited repair expertise; but I thought that if I could see the batting then I could determine if I had sufficiently soaked it or not, or maybe I had overfilled the smoke unit. To see the batting I need to get inside of the engine. Any advice/suggestions on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Janet (TCA and LCCA member)

PS: Oh, I did watch the Lionel YouTube video "Smoke Units 101;" I now know to use a long need to add smoke fluid so that the fluid goes directly into the batting, also not to add smoke fluid to a running engine because of the crystallization that can form on the heating element/resistor.

2/20/194:43 PM

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bmoran4OGR Forum Member

Your smoke unit is that - a unit:

I don't believe there are any serviceable parts or ability to "check the batting" with this particular style. The part can be had for around $25, but if it is under warranty, I would investigate going that route.

These images show a breakdown of the parts and may assist in disassembly if you choose to go that route.

exploded view.

2/20/195:05 PM

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ZelmoOGR Forum Member

Can you repost photos for disassembly. On my unit, the connection tongue/electronic coupler came out from the backside of engine. I found the one screw at bottom of the cab in back but can’t find screw(s) in front to release the body from the frame. Thanks.

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ZelmoOGR Forum Member

Actually after looking at it further, the post that attaches to the base plate that holds and allows the male connector to rotate is missing. I hope this part is replaceable. Looks like a machine screw with a collar that allows the male tongue to rotate. Still would appreciate the photos. Thanks again.

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Vernon BarryOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

@Zelmo posted:
Actually after looking at it further, the post that attaches to the base plate that holds and allows the male connector to rotate is missing. I hope this part is replaceable. Looks like a machine screw with a

Caution, we are talking about 2 different engines here. Yours is the General style. The engine that started this topic is the 2-4-2 style which is completely different.

Again, General style engine is this product support page https://www.lionelsupport.com/...LOCO-ONLY-6803965001

I think these are the parts you need for that drawbar

	SPACER / PLASTIC / .170" ID x .276" OD x .198" THK $1.10 SKU: cs-6801361170-p <form action="#" class="cart-item-summary-item-list-actionable-qty-form" data-action="update-quantity" data-validation="control-group"> <label class="cart-item-summary-item-list-actionable-label-qty">Quantity:</label> <input class="cart-item-summary-quantity-value quantity-item209534set4972470" data-type="cart-item-quantity-input" data-uw-rm-form="nfx" id="quantity-item209534set4972470" min="1" name="quantity" type="number" value="1" /> </form> Amount: $1.10
	BRACKET / PLASTIC / DRAWBAR MOUNT /0-4-0 LIONCHIEF $1.10 SKU: cs-6801361040-p <form action="#" class="cart-item-summary-item-list-actionable-qty-form" data-action="update-quantity" data-validation="control-group"> <label class="cart-item-summary-item-list-actionable-label-qty">Quantity:</label> <input class="cart-item-summary-quantity-value quantity-item209537set4972469" data-type="cart-item-quantity-input" data-uw-rm-form="nfx" id="quantity-item209537set4972469" min="1" name="quantity" type="number" value="1" /> </form> Amount: $1.10
	SCREW # 2 x 7/32" - 6304574732 $0.30 SKU: cs-6304574732-p <form action="#" class="cart-item-summary-item-list-actionable-qty-form" data-action="update-quantity" data-validation="control-group"> <label class="cart-item-summary-item-list-actionable-label-qty">Quantity:</label> <input class="cart-item-summary-quantity-value quantity-item159627set4972466" data-type="cart-item-quantity-input" data-uw-rm-form="nfx" id="quantity-item159627set4972466" min="1" name="quantity" type="number" value="1" /> </form> Amount: $0.30

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Vernon BarryOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Back on topic for this engine- to remove the frame and mechanics from the shell, you remove 3 major screws.

The product page for this engine https://www.lionelsupport.com/...LOCO-ONLY-1823051001

On the bottom side just inside the cylinder area on this silver stamped bracket holding the front wheels are 2 screws (labeled part 30)

You also identified the screw (31) from the top that directly threads through the shell from the top into the motor assembly.

That threads into the diecast bracket that is staked into the rear top of the motor frame assembly. That mounting bracket has an angle on one side to not interfere with the curve inside the boiler shell.