Right of Way Industries Pennsylvania T1 steam engine help

Good buy, I saw that in the red hall, was going to pick it up and you know the old story.. if you see it buy it right on the spot. I walked a few isles came back and it was gone. Was a very nice loco for the price. Go the full route, smoke units and full command, you'll still be ahead of the game. Good luck and enjoy.

The T-1 has two motors.  No flywheels to convert to DCS.  With luck, Lou N will see your post.  He pretty much did all the design and electronic work on that locomotive.  Someone will have your parts.  

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

The T-1 has two motors.  No flywheels to convert to DCS.  With luck, Lou N will see your post.  He pretty much did all the design and electronic work on that locomotive.  Someone will have your parts.  

Yes Marty, I saw the post and when I saw your name I figured I better check in. 

I will have to dig out the wiring harness connections. There are 8 wires between loco and tender. The smoke units are 5Vdc. All the bulbs are 1.5Vdc. The e unit resides in the loco. The sound and power supplies are in the tender. 

Marty, do DCS upgrades require a tach tape? As you said, there are no flywheels. 

Tom, great find. You have one of 340 made.  

Regards,

Lou

And here it comes!!!

Lew Schneider

Lou, yes it does need tape.  Thank you for responding to Toms  post.  I still need your John Hancock on my Train America sign.  If need be, I will travel and bring the sign to you.

I still think of all your help and great advice I received from you years ago.  I still use my two ROW transformers.  One great product.  How great they were to replace the old ZW back then.

I also purchased a new T-1 when they came out.  I remember payoing about $1,700.00 back then.  I loved the front coupler and twin motors.

You could convert it to TMCC with products from ERR.

Okay then, without flywheels DCS is not an option.  Tom, is TMCC an option for you?

Lou N

Thanks so much for the info. I'm the happy owner of number 282/340 ��.  Tmcc is a good option. I don't have any kits so I think I will run it conventionally for the time being. Lou, this is an excellent model as built! It runs quite well, has decent sounds, and looks great. I really love the firebox glow. 

I'll use my dcs kit on a different engine. I Never thought to check for flywheels. Good catch Marty. Thanks again for your help with the other (ps2) engine I bought at York while talking in the orange hall. You were right about that one too - it just needed a new battery. 

-Tom

Congrats of the purchase!!! She looks GREAT!!! 

The T1 is the loco that lured me away from West coast railroads. When I started dating the girl I am now married to her Dad gave me the book Pennsy Power.....and I was sold on PRR and Eastern railroads!!! 

My Weaver T1

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Lou, yes it does need tape.  Thank you for responding to Toms  post.  I still need your John Hancock on mt Train America sign.  If need be, I will travel and bring the sign to you.

I still think of all your help and great advice I received from you years ago.  I still use my two ROW transformers.  One great product.  How great they were to replace the old ZW back then.

I also purchased a new T-1 when they came out.  I remember payoing about $1,700.00 back then.  I loved the front coupler and twin motors.

Thanks for the DCS help.  I never thought about the tach tape.  I still run my T1 as conventional.

I think I have a temporary solution for the signature, I'll fill you in next week.

I'm sure I've told this story before.....Tuesday nights were the RoW business meetings and it just so happened that the magazines with the T1 ad hit on a Tuesday.  The phone started ringing about 6pm and every time we hung up it would ring.  this continued until about 10pm.  We sold all 340 by weeks end.

An, yes, I still run with a RoW transformer.

Regards,

Lou

Spectac posted:

Thanks so much for the info. I'm the happy owner of number 282/340 ��.  Tmcc is a good option. I don't have any kits so I think I will run it conventionally for the time being. Lou, this is an excellent model as built! It runs quite well, has decent sounds, and looks great. I really love the firebox glow. 

I'll use my dcs kit on a different engine. I Never thought to check for flywheels. Good catch Marty. Thanks again for your help with the other (ps2) engine I bought at York while talking in the orange hall. You were right about that one too - it just needed a new battery. 

-Tom

Tom,

I'm glad you like the engine.  The firebox glow is at the ashpan where it should be, not an open firebox door.  That was one of the first uses of surface mount LEDs in a model.  The sound was among the first ever on board digital sounds with the correct whistle and also neutral sounds.  Glad you like the sounds.

Drop me a note if you have further questions.

Lou N

Does that one pivot the engines like Lionel's PW GG1's?

Can you post some good photos Tom and Lou. The T1 is one of my favorite locomotives!

Here's my BLI HO model

c.sam posted:

Does that one pivot the engines like Lionel's PW GG1's?

Can you post some good photos Tom and Lou. The T1 is one of my favorite locomotives!

 

Yes it does pivot; that's how it negotiates 042. 

I'll unbox it soon. Then get you some pix. Working on the trainroom right now

Lou N

Funny thing about the ROW T-1 - I have one, plus a Williams brass T-1 and a Lionel scale (not L'master) T-1. The ROW is technically not as accurate as the other two, of course - and those tender truck "cutouts" are annoying...

But - I like the ROW loco a lot. Runs well. It has a certain charm, with all its flexibility. Brass. Almost "tinplate-y", but in a very good way. Lionmaster flexibility at a near-scale size (I think that they are a tad short). And that funky pilot and O-gauge coupler...

Sam, here are a few pics I took. I tried to show the firebox/ashpan glow. One of the very cool features. I also took one of the bottom to show how it is articulated even though the prototype was a rigid frame duplex. It negotiates o-42 curves no problem. 

I already fixed the front coupler. But then the rear one crumbled. No big deal. I'm very happy with this one. I also have the mth ps1 version (will use my ps3 kit there even though I don't have o-72 to run it). Now to find a Weaver one I can afford. This is one of the very few non long island engines I put on my 'have to have' list. I will just pretend they leased them from the Pennsylvania to run the high speed cannon ball to Montauk!

Lou, if you can copy the instruction manual for me that would be great. Also, is there any place I can get a new battery cover for the front of the tender? Thanks for all the help !

Tom

I used to have the Lionel model too

I saw this on another site and wanted to share it here on this topic .  Hope you  like it. It is a video about the T 1

David

http://trainfanatics.com/rare-...-prr-t1-locomotives/

Nice pics Sam. I like the video too David. Thanks!

 I can't get enough of these engines.

One from the backyard you can see the firebox glow

With a picture of the shell off, we can determine if we can remotor with flywheels for DCS.  G

I have an ROW Pennsy T1, 220 of 340 made, with original box and packing.  There are 3 info sheets in the box but no instruction manual detailing maintenance, etc.  Did this loco come with an instruction booklet?  If so, does anyone have a copy and willing to share a PDF?  Any leads are appreciated, thanks.

If anyone is interested in purchasing one, my email is in my profile. Mine is mostly a box queen.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

If anyone is interested in

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

If anyone is interested in purchasing one, my email is in my profile. Mine is mostly a box queen.

Do you an instruction booklet?

Tom, could you use a fine brass screen painted black or dark green for a battery cover? Precision Scale had many types. Don

When (what year) were these made? I had a LONG hiatus from the hobby and I see I missed a lot of really cool and innovative things. This looks like one of the really cool and innovative ones I missed! The fact it runs on O-42 track is pretty cool too, IMO.

Lou N, I also missed all your really cool items that you designed/worked on and I really admire your work and your contributions to the hobby. I have learned a little about it from other threads, but I am sure there is a lot more I am missing. So a very late... Thank You!!

I am still discovering (and overwhelmed by) all of the amazing changes in the hobby while I was off hiatusing. (Is that a word? ).

c.sam posted:

I used to have the Lionel model too

But what happened? Why did you get rid of the Hard to find Lionel model?

Was getting read to move and finances were tight so I put out a few items for sale. This one had some sound problems and the smoke output was very weak so I reluctantly let it go. I have the nice HO model to look at until I can obtain another O scale model of it.

rtr12 posted:

When (what year) were these made? I had a LONG hiatus from the hobby and I see I missed a lot of really cool and innovative things. This looks like one of the really cool and innovative ones I missed! The fact it runs on O-42 track is pretty cool too, IMO.

Lou N, I also missed all your really cool items that you designed/worked on and I really admire your work and your contributions to the hobby. I have learned a little about it from other threads, but I am sure there is a lot more I am missing. So a very late... Thank You!!

I am still discovering (and overwhelmed by) all of the amazing changes in the hobby while I was off hiatusing. (Is that a word? ).

It must have been some hiatus. This particular model was made in 1990. Right-of-Way has been out of business now for about a quarter century.

scale rail posted:

Tom, could you use a fine brass screen painted black or dark green for a battery cover? Precision Scale had many types. Don

Thanks! This is a very good idea. After two years I should have done something besides running with the battery showing, but haven't - it definitely is time to get something to cover the battery.

It has sat on the track/run since the day I brought it home. I'm still so happy to have found this, definitely my best find of all the York's I've attended. The excitement is building to head to York this week. I'll be on the lookout for my runner-up 'best find!'

rtr12 posted:

When (what year) were these made? I had a LONG hiatus from the hobby and I see I missed a lot of really cool and innovative things. This looks like one of the really cool and innovative ones I missed! The fact it runs on O-42 track is pretty cool too, IMO.

Lou N, I also missed all your really cool items that you designed/worked on and I really admire your work and your contributions to the hobby. I have learned a little about it from other threads, but I am sure there is a lot more I am missing. So a very late... Thank You!!

I am still discovering (and overwhelmed by) all of the amazing changes in the hobby while I was off hiatusing. (Is that a word? ).

YEah Like this one as well! 

But that's another topic altogether!

Right of Way Industries made some very expensive and finely detailed scale engines like the one that you have. Great engines good runners and  features for that time period. Its a shame that the company went bust but there are some products on the secondary market from time to time. It strange but when Weaver and K-Line left the market, other companies were quick to pick up the tooling and dies. To my knowledge no one has secured the R.O.W. Industries tooling. Its probably still out there hidden at a small subcontractor somewhere in China or Korea.

Dennis LaGrua posted:

Right of Way Industries made some very expensive and finely detailed scale engines like the one that you have. Great engines good runners and  features for that time period. Its a shame that the company went bust but there are some products on the secondary market from time to time. It strange but when Weaver and K-Line left the market, other companies were quick to pick up the tooling and dies. To my knowledge no one has secured the R.O.W. Industries tooling. Its probably still out there hidden at a small subcontractor somewhere in China or Korea.

I'm a fan of ROW, also.

Per the locomotive "tooling", there is very little tooling (as in molds and dies) associated with sheet-brass construction, which does use patterns, but boilers and diesel bodies and the like are formed one or a few at a time, pretty much by hand, using patterns and jigs, some of which are discarded after production. Certain detail parts (headlights, pumps, pilots, and so on) are indeed cast, but usually using the lost-wax process, which in turn tends to make use of the pattern/single-use-mold method rather than the re-usable die-casting dies (molds).

ROW offered GG/Ross-like track, signals, plastic rolling stock, etc, much of the tooling for which did indeed get bought by someone(s) and may still live on, so far as I know (I have no proof). 

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Dennis LaGrua posted:

Right of Way Industries made some very expensive and finely detailed scale engines like the one that you have. Great engines good runners and  features for that time period. Its a shame that the company went bust but there are some products on the secondary market from time to time. It strange but when Weaver and K-Line left the market, other companies were quick to pick up the tooling and dies. To my knowledge no one has secured the R.O.W. Industries tooling. Its probably still out there hidden at a small subcontractor somewhere in China or Korea.

Well there minimal tooling with brass constructed locomotives.

For the freight cars ( flats and hopper cars) I believe they came from Weaver models.

The 20 ft containers went to Weaver models then to Atlas  O

The Stack car has returned under the Menards label.

Steve of RGS may have gotten the jigs and minimal tooling for the switches and rightfully upgraded them.

Lionel may have gotten the FT diesel that was never completed and delivered  to ROWI.

Jim R. posted:

rtr12 posted:

When (what year) were these made? I had a LONG hiatus from the hobby and I see I missed a lot of really cool and innovative things. This looks like one of the really cool and innovative ones I missed! The fact it runs on O-42 track is pretty cool too, IMO.

Lou N, I also missed all your really cool items that you designed/worked on and I really admire your work and your contributions to the hobby. I have learned a little about it from other threads, but I am sure there is a lot more I am missing. So a very late... Thank You!!

I am still discovering (and overwhelmed by) all of the amazing changes in the hobby while I was off hiatusing. (Is that a word? ).

It must have been some hiatus. This particular model was made in 1990. Right-of-Way has been out of business now for about a quarter century.

It was a long one, from mid '60s to 2011. In the '50s & '60s all I remember knowing about was Lionel back then and about the time I went on hiatus it seems like they were becoming less popular, train wise anyway. I had a chemistry set back then that may have been Lionel, but I don't recall fore sure about that one? I don't recall ever hearing of ROW until I found this forum after I got back in the hobby, so I don't even know their actual years of operation. As I said earlier, I was overwhelmed by the changes and amount of O gauge products available in 2011 and I'm still adjusting...command control and the electronics hooked me this time around, plus I am now retired. 

There was a brief re-entry into the hobby in 1982 when I got my daughter a Lionel train set. It didn't last long as that set was quite a disappointment and went to the attic a few months later, where it resided until 2013 when we moved. It did run again when I briefly tried it after we got moved in our new home. My daughter wanted to see it run again.

Prrhorseshoecurve, I have seen that amazing power supply discussed here before. That was really an amazing beast! Very impressive transformer, even by today's standards. Maybe I will get to see one in person someday!

rtr12 posted:

Lou N, I also missed all your really cool items that you designed/worked on and I really admire your work and your contributions to the hobby. I have learned a little about it from other threads, but I am sure there is a lot more I am missing. So a very late... Thank You!!

You are very welcome.  It is always pleasing to see others take ideas like 3 color signals (with a timer), a 400 watt transformer, and digital sounds (of the real thing) and implement them in their own ways.  We did a lot of innovative things.  

Lou N

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Dennis LaGrua posted:

Right of Way Industries made some very expensive and finely detailed scale engines like the one that you have. Great engines good runners and  features for that time period. Its a shame that the company went bust but there are some products on the secondary market from time to time. It strange but when Weaver and K-Line left the market, other companies were quick to pick up the tooling and dies. To my knowledge no one has secured the R.O.W. Industries tooling. Its probably still out there hidden at a small subcontractor somewhere in China or Korea.

Well there minimal tooling with brass constructed locomotives.

For the freight cars ( flats and hopper cars) I believe they came from Weaver models.

The 20 ft containers went to Weaver models then to Atlas  O

The Stack car has returned under the Menards label.

Steve of RGS may have gotten the jigs and minimal tooling for the switches and rightfully upgraded them.

Lionel may have gotten the FT diesel that was never completed and delivered  to ROWI.

 

Early freight cars were Weaver, later were RoW tooling.

Steve had his own tooling, not RoW.

FT did not go to Lionel.

Lou N

@Lou N posted:

Tom,

I'm glad you like the engine.  The firebox glow is at the ashpan where it should be, not an open firebox door.  That was one of the first uses of surface mount LEDs in a model.  The sound was among the first ever on board digital sounds with the correct whistle and also neutral sounds.  Glad you like the sounds.

Drop me a note if you have further questions.

Lou N

Hi Lou,

I recently got a PRR T1 from eBay  that is one of Right-of-Way's locos.  It runs very nicely on the tiny layout I have set up for my younger son.  I've got o48 curves so it does well.  I was wondering where I might get a replacement rear coupler for it.  Or do you know of another coupler that would work?

Also one of the lamps is out on the tender.  Can you tell me what voltage those little grain of wheat lamps is?

My loco came without a box so I have no info on it or instructions.  What is the switch for on the top of the cab?

Sorry to ask so many questions.  Thanks for your help!

Roger Elliott

@Roger Elliott posted:

Hi Lou,

I recently got a PRR T1 from eBay  that is one of Right-of-Way's locos.  It runs very nicely on the tiny layout I have set up for my younger son.  I've got o48 curves so it does well.  I was wondering where I might get a replacement rear coupler for it.  Or do you know of another coupler that would work?

Also one of the lamps is out on the tender.  Can you tell me what voltage those little grain of wheat lamps is?

My loco came without a box so I have no info on it or instructions.  What is the switch for on the top of the cab?

Sorry to ask so many questions.  Thanks for your help!

Roger Elliott

I answered in another post which you will see.

The lamps are 1.5V grain of rice.

Lou N