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The Shorpy site for old photographs has been putting up some great older railroad shots.

Here are the links to the site.  Do not post these due to copyright but the links will take you right to the pictures.

In the roundhouse at an Illinois Central Railroad yard.

Tender and switch engine at an Illinois Central railyard.

An oil train from the Southwest leaves an Illinois Central railyard.

I would highly encourage you to browse Shorpy and check back daily for some great vintage photographs but don't post pictures here just links.

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@smd4 posted:

You really weren’t aware that CO is a byproduct of diesel combustion?

Diesel or coal, all bad for you and amazed all of us have lived as long as we have.  Some of us even survived the school playground  with a jungle gym made out of galvanized water pipe.

Burning coal.....produces particulate and gas emissions that may contain a number of harmful chemicals, such as benzene, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, and  polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. This statement from some site about burning coal, but the key take away is 'may contain'.  Guess coal loads need to come with an ingredient label.

Here’s what I suggest to raise your awareness level. Lock yourself in an enclosed space with a running 2 stroke diesel. I’m also pretty sure it will also raise your carboxyhemoglobin level.

Lets see   Who do I believe in the debate   The guy that operated a diesel or a doctor that spent about 20 years in medical school   I tend to believe the doctor and the fumes must have affected the operators thinking

@bluelinec4 posted:

Lets see   Who do I believe in the debate   The guy that operated a diesel or a doctor that spent about 20 years in medical school   I tend to believe the doctor and the fumes must have affected the operators thinking

Ben - never claimed to be the best or the brightest, but, c’mon, gimme a break. I finished med. schl. in 17 years, not 20!🤪🤪🤪

@PRR8976 posted:

@MartyE Marty, Note the two November 1942 calenders and the early vending (small) machine to the left with Hershey bars and raisins.

Thanks for posting these.

Tom

LOL!  I was literally checking those out this morning when I posted.  Hershey wrappers still looks the same.  I think there are Planter's Peanuts in the last slot.

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@MartyE posted:

Really interesting. Never having been in the Chicago Union Station Interlocking Tower, is this the tower that controlled the south side, i.e. CB&Q etc., or the north side, i.e. C&NW and Milwaukee Road?



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I have since found out that this is the Harrison Street Tower which controls the south portion of Chicago Union Station, for the station platforms to the CB&Q and PRR coach yards.

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@PRR8976 posted:

Lots of switches to control = lots of stress and headaches! Hope they had enough Asperin.

Tom

Actually not as stressful as you would think (certainly NOT like an air port control tower). Having made a number of trips into the DL&W Hoboken Terminal Tower during the morning in-bound commuter rush in the late 1950s, there is definitely LOTS of "activity". However, there was always one or two Signal Maintainers "on duty" in order to assist in any potential "delays".

@MartyE posted:

I looked up the M4 class on the cab to find they were 0-8-0 switchers on the C&NWs. For modelers, note the canvas (rear of cab and over window) to keep out the cold on the cab and the low hanging piping that one might think would get fouled/ snagged while operating.

No signs of global warming on that December day in Chicago!

Thanks again for posting.

Tom

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@MartyE posted:

Just saw this. Few observations about this pic...

I was born (March 1952) and raised in KC KS/MO. We moved back to mom and dad's "Fatherland" (Arkansas) in January of 1969. I saw the ATSF Argentine Yard many, many times via 18th Street overpass as well as along the yard on side roads. (Can vividly remember Zerbra Stripe FM switchers switching in the yard among many other memories.)

As for this pic:

What I find the most interesting are the "lantern tracks" imprinted on the time exposure on the right side of the picture. Obviously, some cars and/or cuts of bled-off cars have been kicked or set against the previous cut, and the Brakeman had gone down the cut and laced-up the air hoses. The effect of the oil lantern swinging while walking as well as being used in-between the cars is fascinating.

Also, I'm wondering if that is an earlier version of the 18th Street overpass than was in my era? If so, then the position of the photographer and cars could be in the general location of what would become the massive Argentine Yard diesel locomotive servicing area. However, that picture may be further west and thus not the same area.

Andre

A couple of comments on the last two Shorpy photos:

  • The photo of the "part of the car shops" is the Rip Track,  where cars with en route defects are repaired, as well as some home road car repairs.  Rip stands for "Repair In Place" meaning the repair was not so serious that major work would be required.  Wrecks and frame failures, etc., had to go to the car shop.  If a car in a train in the yard was found to have a defect during the 500 mile train yard inspection, it would have been switched out of the train, sent to the Rip Track, and, after repair, would have been forwarded to destination in a later train.  Foreign road* car repairs were charged according to a manual published by the Association of American Railroads.  Home road cars were given periodic maintenance at the Rip Track.
  • In the Fort Madison (actually Shopton, IA) photo, the device mounted on the pilot truck frame of 4-6-2 3438 is the drive unit for the speed sensor of the cab signal system.  Santa Fe used cab signals (called Automatic Train Control by ATSF) between Fort Madison and Chicago.  The mechanical (hydraulic) speed recorder in the cab was normally driven by a cable drive from a small wheel resting on one of the drive wheels, or a cable drive off of a trailing truck axle.

*  Foreign road car:  Any car not owned by the railroad handling the car, in other words, all other railroads as well as private owner cars.

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Marty, All very interesting. Lots of paper and hanging paper. With all the clutter he still manages to have a clear working surface in front of him to pperate his telegraph. The combination of headset and voice tube/microphone can't be too comfortable considering he needs to move around. Not too much is clean, except... I liked the hanging clean, gleaming pocket watch, under the mirror! It really stands out. There is also a hanging tobacco can under the lamp, something you don't see anymore (my dad smoked so it also stood out to me). What looks like a cannon ball or shot put, is maybe is a paperweight to control his paperwork (from the fan to the right)?

Thanks for finding and posting.

Tom

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@PRR8976 posted:

Marty, All very interesting. Lots of paper and hanging paper. With all the clutter he still manages to have a clear working surface in front of him to pperate his telegraph. The combination of headset and voice tube/microphone can't be too comfortable considering he needs to move around. Not too much is clean, except... I liked the hanging clean, gleaming pocket watch, under the mirror! It really stands out. There is also a hanging tobacco can under the lamp,

Just my opinion but, I believe that empty tobacco can is not "hanging", but is attached to the sounder device, and is thus acting as a "sound enhancer".

something you don't see anymore (my dad smoked so it also stood out to me). What looks like a cannon ball or shot put, is maybe is a paperweight to control his paperwork (from the fan to the right)?

Thanks for finding and posting.

Tom

Actually, that's back where the railroad is away from the highway, between Shattuck, Oklahoma, and Higgins, Texas.  It won't matter to most here, but maybe -- just maybe -- there is someone here who has ever lived in Canadian, Miami, or Pampa, Texas and they might be puzzled by the scenery, since Hoover is down in the Canadian River cedar breaks, just off the caprock.  Jack Delano might have been worn slick from riding freight trains for hours and hours, and possibly had become tired of taking notes after each sheet of film was exposed.  The helper might have been added at Waynoka, for Curtis Hill.

I love seeing these photos of my Home Road in its glory.

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Not a happy looking train crew, by any measure. Thanks for posting, Marty.

Yes, they look like they were all business and were being delayed by the photographer.  But there might also be a back story.  They all lived in a small town and could have been related by blood, marriage, or divorce.  There might have been interpersonal issues relating to religion, politics, money, or whether they preferred Fords or Chevrolets.  Maybe they were called for a drag that would pick up and set out cars all the way to Waynoka and get run around by two or three other crews, while the crew behind them got called for a hotshot.

Notice the badges on the Conductor's and Brakeman's caps.  Santa Fe operating rules in that era required Conductors and Brakemen to wear their badge while on duty, in freight service as well as passenger.  Everyone is carrying a pocket watch, a fountain pen, and a pencil.  Two crew members wear neckties, making one wonder whether the caption identified the Brakeman and the Fireman backwards.

Their engine is a 4000 Class 2-8-2, a pretty strong engine of that wheel arrangement, easily capable of keeping the train running across the prairie at Santa Fe's then-maximum speed of 45 MPH for freight trains.

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@Number 90 posted:

Yes, they look like they were all business and were being delayed by the photographer.  But there might also be a back story.  They all lived in a small town and could have been related by blood, marriage, or divorce.  There might have been interpersonal issues relating to religion, politics, money, or whether they preferred Fords or Chevrolets.  Maybe they were called for a drag that would pick up and set out cars all the way to Waynoka and get run around by two or three other crews, while the crew behind them got called for a hotshot.

Notice the badges on the Conductor's and Brakeman's caps.  Santa Fe operating rules in that era required Conductors and Brakemen to wear their badge while on duty, in freight service as well as passenger.

Their engine is a 4000 Class 2-8-2, a pretty strong engine of that wheel arrangement, easily capable of keeping the train running across the prairie at Santa Fe's then-maximum speed of 45 MPH for freight trains.

Lotta “what ifs” and “coulda beens” above, Tom. Doesn’t make them look any happier😜😜😜

Happy enough that they’re stateside, and not in combat in the PTO or ETO. That’s war stress!

You really have no idea about the "stress" that Railroaders, and railroads, were under during the war years. Just because they were not in combat, and getting shot at, doesn't mean that Railroaders were NOT "stressed". I was born in 1942, and once old enough to understand, I can remember my father's VERY long hours at the Pennsylvania RR, and he wasn't even in the Operating Department.

That AT&SF crew photo was taken in the month and year that I was born, and I just imagine that they--like most railroaders and industry workers at the time--were all business, and not much inclined to be subject to "smile for the camera" moments. Everyone in the U.S. was pretty much focused on the war effort at the time, including youngsters who gathered materials that could be used for that ongoing and very serious effort.

I also thought about what they might have been thinking about at the time and it reminded me of my father. He was a fireman on the New Haven (trained on steam and diesel), right after WWII and the railroad life was not for him. He was low on seniority, so he often got called whenever someone was needed. He used to complain that he was too busy to spend all the paychecks that were stuffed into his pockets.

So, we may have some tired railroaders, maybe some less than happy railroaders, etc. God bless them all wherever they may be nowadays.

Thanks for posting, Marty.

Tom

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Santa Fe established Navajo rail replacement gangs every spring, and cut them off in the fall.  This was a source of good relations between the Navajo Nation and the railroad until the BNSF merger.  Railroad wages were appreciated on the reservation.  The railroad gave them a week off and a ride back to Winslow or Gallup each month, and then picked them up and transported them to the work location.  They were excellent at laying rail.

Most spoke English but would not do so in the presence of non-Navajo railroad employees.  We supervisors talked with the Navajo in charge -- we called him the chief, but I am not entirely certain what was his official standing within the Navajo Nation -- and he would communicate with the workers.  Over a span of 22 years, a couple of them spoke English to me, but only small talk, such as "It will be good when the afternoon rainstorm season starts."  "Yes, I look forward to it."

The Santa Fe Navajo steel gangs were legendary for their excellent work.

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@MartyE posted:

What a GREAT photograph! Note the special Machinist's Hammer the Inspector is holding in his right had. The various machined diameters on the head, plus the length of the head, are used for making all sorts of "known dimension checks". Also, the inspector uses the hammer to tap on bolts & rivets in order to determine whether they are properly tightened.

Those special Machinist's Inspection hammers are still used today when inspecting diesel units, and I still have mine hanging on a hook in the garage.

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