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When we wired my present layout, we used insulated rail joiners to create signal blocks and dropped detection wires from each signal block.  I am thinking at least until I begin installing signals that I could tie these wires together as another common.  I am certain it should improve my performance in the short term.  When I am ready to install signals, I will have to decide what to do then?  I want the signals to operate just like the prototype and we were planning to use Atlas/Custom Signals. 

 

Art

Last edited by Chugman

Art

 

You said this at the show, about the one free line; my comment is that when we had only Lionel tin-plate track where both outside lines were connected by the metal tie; isolating a rail required using an isolated track section or creating your own. Kinda of complicated.

With Gar-Graves and other track where both outside lines are isolated. It's so much easier to created an isolated section that having the outside rails connected is not much of an issue.

Originally Posted by Chugman:

My layout is currently wired with one outside rail for common and one for signal detection.  When I have perfectly clean track and reasonably clean engine wheels and pickup rollers, everything runs great.  But as soon as either the track or the engine wheels or rollers gets a little dirty, the gremlins begin to appear.  I am about ready to bite the bullet and connect the other outside rail to common and run the white flag up the pole.  I'm not ready to install signals yet and I'm tired of fighting it.

 

Art

No doubt you have to keep the wheels and track clean. On the ground rail that is not insulated you could have dirty track pins. I solder every joint.  Really on my layout there are no issues just using 1 outer rail. I do wish on small powered units,they would leave off the traction tires. No need for a traction tire on a trolley etc. 

 

Dale H

I agree, Dale.  The newer engines with more pickup rollers operate much better than the ones without.  And the more wheels to make contact with the common the better.  I have wondered in the past why it seems like I have to clean my Atlas track so much more often than some of my friends do.  I am reasonably certain that this explains it.  They most likely have both outside rails carrying their common and I don't making it more sensitive to dirty track.

 

Art

When I was using the old O27/O guage with metal ties I didn't worry about it but when I changed to Gargraves I did and if I need a area isolated to operate something I isolated the section by doing this I'm sure should I hit a bad section or a weak carry of ground it is covered from the other side I tried just one side and had some areas that the trains would slow if not stop that where cured when I hooked the other side up so from then on I always do both sides. 

I solder 12 inch long wire to the outside rail and a 6 inch long wire to the other outside rail, wire is #18 gauge insulated solid. I use the solid wire because I remove the insulation 1/2 inch from both ends, one end is then soldered to the bottom of the rail web, this stripped end has a 90 degree offset bend, I use test wire alligator clips to sold these wires in position for soldering. Soldering is done with Kester 60/40 solder and 200-250 Weller soldering gun.

 

Once the 12 inch wire lead is soldered to one outside rail, I solder the the 6 inch wire to the other outside rail, then both wires are aligned side by side, the insulation is removed from the 12 inch wire for soldering the 6 inch wire to this wire, once the insulation is removed, is use lineman electrical pliers to twist this wire onto the 12 inch wire,joint is the soldered and taped with electrical tape. The free end of the 12 inch wire is then butt

spliced to #16 or # 14 gauge insulated wired for attachment to the # 12 gauge buss wire. Once the wires are taped I drill a 1/4 in diameter hole through the train board and route the outside common and center hot rail wire lead through this hole under the train board, soldering of the hot wire lead to the center rail requires removing the black rail

coating, same soldering procedure, this wire is butt spliced to # 14 or # 12 gauge stranded wire which is routed to toggle switches and track power, I use the block system.

 

I check all of the soldered track-wire connections using a continuity tester with a integral light. It may be redundant to wire both outside rails but I figured it may take additional in track wiring initially but it should prevent possible power losses in the future. 

We've soldered a jumper between the outside rails throughout the layout, which gives continuity except for the cuts for the non-derailing feature of switches.  Where those occur we make sure the rest of the rail is still connected to provide the "common" continuity.  Seems to work well, although I must admit I wouldn't know how to prove it is doing anything ;-)

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