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Did anyone order the Lionel Southern Legacy Hi-Nose GP30 Diesel?  I would assume someone did on this thread.  I have heard they have shipped and I was curious how it turned out.  If you purchase one and received it, please post some pictures, but if you can please post a video so we can hear it and see it in action!! 

Thanks

Ken

 

 

Originally Posted by lionel89:

Hello SRR fans.  I have a question regarding cabooses.  What caboose would y'all recommend to complement by Lionel Southern mountain locomotive?  I am trying to stay with K-Line or Lionel.  Thanks.  Tyler. 

Tyler

 

Here are a few Southern Cabooses from Lionel and K-line that I know of…

-Lionel 6-17601 Southern Woodside Caboose

-Lionel 6-17663 Southern Bay Window Caboose from 2004

-K-612-2012 Southern Bay Window Caboose – Red (Also K-line made one in Black

-6-22282 Lionel by K-line Southern Bay Window Caboose (Same Tooling as the K-Line Caboose Above)

 

I own Lionel 6-17663 and K-612-2012 Bay Window Cabooses.  The quality of K-Line Bay Window Caboose lacks.  I used the smoke unit and it melted the roof and the windows have fallen out.  If I were to choose, I may consider the Lionel Woodside Caboose from Lionel.  There are many of these available.  Also, there are pictures of most these cabooses in this thread. 

Originally Posted by lionel89:

Hello SRR fans.  I have a question regarding cabooses.  What caboose would y'all recommend to complement by Lionel Southern mountain locomotive?  I am trying to stay with K-Line or Lionel.  Thanks.  Tyler. 

Tyler, to the best of my knowledge Southern's mountain were used to pull passenger trains up the mountain.  But probably some time or other may have pulled freight.

 

Ron

Originally Posted by kjstrains:
Tyler

 

Here are a few Southern Cabooses from Lionel and K-line that I know of…

-Lionel 6-17601 Southern Woodside Caboose

-Lionel 6-17663 Southern Bay Window Caboose from 2004

-K-612-2012 Southern Bay Window Caboose – Red (Also K-line made one in Black

-6-22282 Lionel by K-line Southern Bay Window Caboose (Same Tooling as the K-Line Caboose Above)

 

I own Lionel 6-17663 and K-612-2012 Bay Window Cabooses.  The quality of K-Line Bay Window Caboose lacks.  I used the smoke unit and it melted the roof and the windows have fallen out.  If I were to choose, I may consider the Lionel Woodside Caboose from Lionel.  There are many of these available.  Also, there are pictures of most these cabooses in this thread. 

 

Thank you, kjstrains.  I did not realize a modern scale caboose from that era was scarce/non-existent.  I am going to look into a Lionel 6-17601 or 6-17663. 

 

Originally Posted by PRRronbh:
Tyler, to the best of my knowledge Southern's mountain were used to pull passenger trains up the mountain.  But probably some time or other may have pulled freight.

 

Ron

 

You are correct, Ron.  Mine pulls the Lionel Carolina Special passenger set.  I am assuming the one Lionel modeled theirs after pulled the Carolina Special and other Southern passenger trains over Saluda.   

As steel Heavyweight cars began replacing wood on mainlines prior to WWI the Southern Ts 4-8-2 Mountain types replaced the light passenger Pacifics on the eastern Lines from Atlantia to Washington [both ways out of Spencer] and on the CNO&TP central lines both directions out of Chattanooga until the Ps-4s were built.

After arrival of Ps-4s the Ts and Ts-1s were shifted to Bristol-Memphis, Birmingham-Atlanta and other "hill climbs". All principal passenger trains out of Asheville were assigned 4-8-2s [home of#1491] including south over Saluda to Spartanburg and east through the Black Mountain "Loops" to Salisbury and Greensboro.

 

When passenger diesels became prevalent in the very early '50s via upgraded E6s, new E-7s as well as some continued use of F-3s equipped with steam generators; passenger steam power was scrapped or occasionally assigned to local freights. The engine "morgues" show a lot of Mountain type being scraped during 1950,51,52].

I recall snapshots of Ps-4s, including the streamlined "Tennessean", pulling local freight Spencer to Monroe, for example, but never saw evidence of a Mountain type heading freight. However it very likely occurred someplace on the Southern Ry.

 

Photo[painting] below of the Carolina Special [Ts-1] and Crescent[Ps-4] at Salisbury.

 

 

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After the big disappointment from Lionel regarding canceling the 18in Southern aluminum passenger cars, I had the privilege of buying something unusual today.  A dealer in NC had 6 special Southern passenger sets made and shipped directly from K Line.  I have never seen the other 5 (some of you all may own the others).  Now, I do realize these cars started out as a Santa-Fe set.  And, I thought the vista dome was out of place, but the Southern RR had a dome coach, 1613, which sometimes made the trip between Atlanta and New Orleans.

 

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Originally Posted by Dewey Trogdon:

Impressive and awesome hopper assembly Neal. 

I hope Roger Whitsett my "stinking" diesel combatant sees it.

Hey Dewey, Yes I've seen the Lionel Southern GP30! If MTH produces one, I'll purchase it. I'm currently waiting on my LAST (hopefully!!) steam engine, N&W Class A 1218. After I purchase that engine, it may be my last....????. I'm STILL a "stinkin' diesel lover" at heart!!!...........lol

Originally Posted by lionel89:

After the big disappointment from Lionel regarding canceling the 18in Southern aluminum passenger cars, I had the privilege of buying something unusual today.  A dealer in NC had 6 special Southern passenger sets made and shipped directly from K Line.  I have never seen the other 5 (some of you all may own the others).  Now, I do realize these cars started out as a Santa-Fe set.  And, I thought the vista dome was out of place, but the Southern RR had a dome coach, 1613, which sometimes made the trip between Atlanta and New Orleans.

 

 

 

 

Tyler,

Very nice set of passenger cars!  From what I you said, it sounds like you got the last set?  I was also very disappointed that Lionel canceled the 18 inch Southern Aluminum passenger cars. Congratulations on a great find!  Thanks for sharing the photos.  Ken

 

Originally Posted by Pingman:

Beautiful set Tyler and Dewey.

 

Prototype question:  did the streamline cars at some point carry the SR circular herald at one or both ends?  I have a strong recollection of seeing prototype photos with the herald on these streamliners, but it's so long ago I could very easily be mistaken.

 

Yes, you are correct, and I do wish these had the decals.  Honestly, I have seen them both with and without. 

Thanks for the info, Tyler.

 

Many years ago I had "SOUTHERN" name plates made with the intention of making a Crescent passenger consist, and also purchased the SR heralds for them.  I know where the name plates are and will use them in the future when current projects are completed.  The decals, however, are MIA.

Originally Posted by lionel89:
Originally Posted by Pingman:

Beautiful set Tyler and Dewey.

 

Prototype question:  did the streamline cars at some point carry the SR circular herald at one or both ends?  I have a strong recollection of seeing prototype photos with the herald on these streamliners, but it's so long ago I could very easily be mistaken.

 

Yes, you are correct, and I do wish these had the decals.  Honestly, I have seen them both with and without. 

Tyler:

 

Microscale makes decals for O gauge Southern engines that include the heralds.  I don't know if the the heralds might be too large.  They also make HO scale decals for Southern and the heralds on those sheets might be the right size.

 

Neal Jeter

Originally Posted by ROGERW:
Originally Posted by Dewey Trogdon:

Impressive and awesome hopper assembly Neal. 

I hope Roger Whitsett my "stinking" diesel combatant sees it.

Hey Dewey, Yes I've seen the Lionel Southern GP30! If MTH produces one, I'll purchase it. I'm currently waiting on my LAST (hopefully!!) steam engine, N&W Class A 1218. After I purchase that engine, it may be my last....????. I'm STILL a "stinkin' diesel lover" at heart!!!...........lol

Hey Roger,

 

I picked up my GP30 last Saturday from the Choo-Choo.  Tested about an hour AOK so purchased.  Also tested the N&W 522.  But the couplers were firing backwards, so James has to fix before pickup.

 

A pix with one of Malcolm's great cabooses.

 

 

Roger if you want a 2601 I would not hold my breath for MTH to make them.  For years I traded emails with one of MTH's VP's after each new catalog release.  And going back to at least Oct. 2009 suggesting the hi-nose GP30.  When Mike was here for the HS Heritage event I discussed it  saying that the museum has 2601 and that the N&W 522 was also in the yard.  He said he would take some pictures.  When he was at the Choo-Choo others brought it to his attention.  Bur NO joy!

 

Now not long after Mike Reagan moved down here he visited the Choo-Choo.  Where and when we discussed the hi-nose GP30 with him.  They cataloged them last Fall and now we have them.

 

 

Ron

Originally Posted by Pingman:

Thanks for the info, Tyler.

 

Many years ago I had "SOUTHERN" name plates made with the intention of making a Crescent passenger consist, and also purchased the SR heralds for them.  I know where the name plates are and will use them in the future when current projects are completed.  The decals, however, are MIA.

The Southern heralds were placed on the cars to coincide with the locomotive nose heralds starting in 1971. They were used until 1979 on the Crescent cars, and in excursion service until NS mandated all tuscan cars. So use of the heralds (and black roofs to an extent) would be relegated to a short timeframe of operation. During the heyday of The Southerner and Crescent, Southern passenger cars had silver sides and roofs, and the cars were usually individually named. The K-Line set lionel89 purchased would represent the earlier operating years since the roofs are silver. 

I copied the following from an article about the Southern Crescent:

Southern Railway announced in 1929 that its first "train of luxury" was to begin life anew with brand-new equipment. Along with new Pullmans, cars built especially for the "Crescent Limited" four years earlier were completely refinished. What was "all new" was the distinctive exterior finish. Two shades of green adorned the luxury cars, each one lettered "Crescent Limited" in gold leaf along the upper panels. Pullman cars were named for distinguished sons of the seven states of the South through which the train ran.

My question is: What were/are these Two shades of green?

 

thank you - rdea

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