Southern RR Fans- PHOTOS

I rounded up our present SR motive power for a 'group shot' and here it is.

Only the Williams PW type 2356 is not a scale engine. We have Lionel E6 No 2800, MTH RK Scale RS1, MTH Premiere SR F3 ABBA, and Lionel SR U28b

Ken

The photo I posted of #4866 was made in 1948. Given the lattitude that Southern Master Mechanics were allowed, by that date many changes and additions had been made to the engine and different Shops did a variety of things.

#4866 was delivered new from Richmond Works equipped with an Elesco Feedwater Heater so Lionel should either equip it with one or change the road number to reflect one with a Worthington FW Heater. I haven't seen the catalog but the picture you posted is basically the Milwaukee Road Heavy Mikado lettered and road numbered for Southern. Note in the catalog photo that the generator is mounted atop the smokebox whereas on the Southern it resides back at the cab front.

In my opinion a significant Locomotive price for a casual error. 

Nice roster C. Sam.

Hey Dewey, Why didn't you say anything about c.sam's "stinkin' diesels"???...........lol.........

Hi Roger

Well, at least Sam's track is ballasted.

I have mellowed in my old age and allowed some of my diesels to come out of the closet. Hopefully my steamer's coal smoke will overcome the awful diesel odor.

Check out that pretty PA sitting up there all weathered in dust.

Have you relocated, I haven't seen any layout photos lately?

Sam

Very nice looking Southern Roster!!  Great job on the Photos!!

Ken

Hey Dewey, I'm still at the same spot!! I've been acquiring Norfolk-Southern Heritage Diesel engines. I'm gonna take some pictures of my current roster. I'm waiting on my latest steam engine to be delivered.....MTH-Premier N&W "J" with all of the N&W passenger cars!!

Roger

Glad you are still in Germanton and the layout is intact.

Congratulations on acquisition of the "J". Now that really is anti-diesel.

Progress on your steam program is slow but with you having both a Southern Ps-4 and a N&W "J" I am optimistic. Anything is possible.

One easy solution for Lionel to correct the incorrect Southern Ry Ms-4 posted in the catalog would be to letter it road #4848,[photo] sub-lettered Charlotte [Division].There are other road numbers that will work equally well.

It is not the best solution--the best and most desired Ms-4 is one equipped with an Elesco Feedwater Heater mounted on the brow of the smokebox, angled lighted road numbers and a fingernail headlight visor.

Nevertheless 4848 is an easy correction for ignoring 5 minutes of research to get it right. Too much money for a general issue, mislabeled product.

...........photo from TIES Magazine.[Series of 5 issues on the Ms-4 by Dale Roberts and Ed King, TIES Editor, and member of the OGR Forum.]

I like Southern too. Here are some of my Southern engines.

Tom

Boy, I'll say you have some Southern engines. Quite a roster of the Green 'n Gold.

Thanks Dewey! I need to focus on getting some more Southern Steam.

Change of pace from Lionel Ms-4 engine woes.....

DiMarco Brothers wrapping up on reroofing Southern's Engine House at the Pomona Service Yard.[I can't let them finish until I find another building to move them to]

We have posted many photos of Pretty Ps-4s and Green Diesels. One I don't recall seeing is the Southern 4-8-2 Ts-1 Mountain type shown below via fuzzy photos:

TIES magazine ran a series of articles on "Those Magnificent Mountains"[articles packed away I know not where]. The Ts Class built by Baldwin in 1917 was a light USRA Mountain. The TS-1, was built in1919 by Baldwin for #1475-1489 and Alco Richmond Works for#1490-1499. They were classified as a Heavy Mountain based on higher axle loading capacity and a number or operating-related modifications.

The advent of the Green 'n Gold "Harrison Pacifics"was such a public relations sensation for Southern that as Mountains needed repainting they got the Green 'n Gold also. As late as 1948 when diesels were enroaching, #1479 still received its repaint in Green'n Gold. #1491 served principally on the "Carolina Special",operating both south of Ashevile to Spartanburg[Saluda] and north to Salisbury and Greensboro.

The Mountains had flat black cab roofs but, along with color photos, my letter to Lionel President Maddox only brought a thank you letter from his Secretary noting that they had filed my information......and the models roof is red as you can see.

Dewey, see your Ts-1 and raise you one.

The 3-part Ties articles on the Southern mountains are in:

September - October  1996

November - December  1996

January - February  1997.

Ron

Dewey

Nice engine.  I have seen this engine and have considered buying one.  However, I was hoping Lionel might remake it with Legacy and paint the roof black.  If Lionel put in a real coal load in the tender that would be nice too.  I also heard that this engine sometimes lurches at start-up because of it having the early Odyssey.   Regardless, overall the engine looks great with the Southern Green/Gold Paint Scheme.  Thanks for posting the pictures.    Ken

Thanks for the photos and TIES dates Ron. My hand tremors should dictate that I get another family member to photograph. I shake the tripod!

C.Sam, I would like to commend you on the post about the Southern Railway that you started. I would also like to thank all of the folks that submitted replies to his post as well. I would never have dreamed that there were so many Southern Fans. I have posted a couple of times that my step father was a Southern Engineer, and I got to see plenty as a young boy of the 40's-60's.

 These photo's brought back memories too numerous to mention, so thank all you guys again...........Brandy!

In addition to the Southern Ts-1 Mountains, N&W had a hefty 4-8-2 Mountain nicknamed the  "Water Buffalo". I assume that since the SRR/N&W merger it is appropriate to post N&W on a Southern thread. Issued by Sunset Models back in the day. Mine, pictured below is conventional control:

NS did an overhaul of SD40 31703 and a repaint in Chattanooga.  I wish Atlas O would do this engine.

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/520846/

Atlas O recently shipped the new Southern 50' boxcars.

Neal

Neal,

Very nice looking boxcars.   I planning on purchasing one.  Where did you get yours from?  Ken

Ken:

Len Deichman at Deichman's Depot.

http://www.deichmansdepot.com/

I was somewhat disappointed when Lionel decided to cancel the 18 inch aluminum Southern passenger cars and make 21 inch instead.   I am ok with plastic but 21 inch is too big for me.   Yesterday, I found 2009 K-line by Lionel catalog at my club and saw these passenger cars in the catalog.  I went on line to look at the catalog on Lionel’s website to find the item numbers.   I then did Google search for them to see if there were any pictures of them.  However, I could not find any photos.  Product numbers are 6-22459 and 6-22460.  They look like nice cars, but I have never seen them on the bay nor anywhere else.   I was wondering if these were ever manufactured and if any of you on this thread have them?  Ken

Another beautiful Master Series model just to look at...

Oh I agree.  I would be all over that if they did....I'm a N&W guy but I do like some Southern power....

Ken:

Those Southern passenger cars were in the catalog but were never produced.  A scale Southern FM trainmaster was also in the same catalog but was never produced.

Neal 

Steve:

Have you tried contacting Atlas about the incorrect trucks on the PS-1 boxcar?  As you can see in my photos above the ones I received had the correct roller bearing trucks and couplers.  Maybe they will swap them out.

Neal

great thread

amazed at the specifics on Southern

ogr is a post graduate education

j

Neal

Thanks for the information.  I had a suspicion that they never manufactured them; otherwise, I would have probably seen a few of them out there.  Ken

Here is the new Williams Southern 44-toner I received today. Not bad, though personally I wish they left the ACI label off. I may remove that and the check letter to backdate. Might get another one to paint in the green scheme as well.

The handrails are flexible plastic, so be careful when you take it out of the box and remove the styrofoam inserts. 

Here you go Brother Love and others interested in this little switcher. Images of the underneath. Others on this forum have posted the locomotive taken apart, including the trucks. One interesting thing I have noticed - no horns. All I have seen in the box so far are extra traction tires. 

In Weaver's next run of flat cars with trailers they are doing a Southern Railway flat with Pilot Trucking trailers in six different numbers.  They should be available this summer.

Neal Jeter

Our governor (North Carolina) came to the NC Transportation Museum last week.  Kudos to whoever came up with the background and platform idea for the platform party.  One could say that it's very "Southern".  I can not wait until my pre-ordered Lionel Southern PS-4 flatcar arrives.

Fuzzy picture of Southern "Wartime" Gondola of which I have a "herd", all sold to me back in the day by super salesman and all around good guy Jim Sutter. At the time I had visions of a coal-fired Power Plant rotary car dump akin to one of Duke Power's up on the Little Broad River.. The vision, and the layout that could have hosted it is long gone--dismantled '09.

Also a photo of one of Southern's Heavy Switchers[borrowed from the AGS of SRR's Central Division].

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Gentlemen,

   You got to love Southern RR stuff, especially the Green coloring!  Always a classic.

PCRR/Dave