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So, I was running some post war trains tonight and I got to really thinking and reflecting on things, and I thought as a "young person" of 30, I thought you might be interested in why I collect old trains.

 

 

So tonight, I decided to run some of my postwar Lionel trains (a baby Hudson, a 2-6-4 and the baby Dreyfuss 2-6-4). As the trains ran around the rounded square of my layout, I began to think of one of the reasons I enjoy running old toy trains so much. I think of their histories, not just what year they were made or how many were made, but I thought about the family that owned this train before me. How many miles of tubular track did this engine ply before me? How many Lincoln logs or building blocks did it carry in hopper cars and gons or imaginary passengers in coaches? How long did these trains sit not being run? How staged and unstage derailments have they been through? I often think about their contemporary counterparts, and how some of them may have spent decades before running again. How many people did these trains make happy?

          The oldest datable engine I have is the #221 from 1947 (I have a Marx engine that’s probably older). In 1947 when this early postwar engine was coming off the assembly lines, steam locomotives were still on American railroads, though the real Dreyfus had by then disappeared from the New York Central.  I put it on the tracks, had some trouble starting, then the wheels turned forward, slipping, just like a real steam locomotive in 1947. Then VAVOOOM, it was off and running, pulling its crack train of blue tinplate coaches, bounding past Marx telephone poles and Marx railroad crossings and under Marx semaphores, circling the town of Plasticville. As they tiny juggernaut hurtles in clock wise direction, I imagine myself on Amtrak, racing down the North East Corridor to New York City, and I think that maybe this train’s prior owner did the same while watching it. The #221’s unrealistic speed could probably give chase to a scaled down Metro North M7 or even Acela.

            These trains have history, as old as their full-sized contemporaries.

            That said, I do enjoy trains of other eras. I own several modern-era Lionel, K-Line, and Williams by Bachmann trains and I very much enjoy those and have made new memories with them. And, maybe not as much as in the 50s, but these modern era Lionel trains are doing the same jobs as their post-war fathers. Today, Thomas is pulling Troublesome Trucks full of Legos, the Polar Express is going to an imaginary North Pole, and yes there are still Pennsylvania, Santa Fe, and New York Central trains plowing the carpets and layouts of homes today. Don’t believe me, go to Youtube. But they don’t have the history of postwar trains….at least not yet.

 

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I agree and I am still a youngster of 50. The history of the old trains is captivating. I have a '46 Lionel 2020 and some late 40's Marx that makes me wonder what Christmas was like in those early postwar years.I have a few pre-war Lionel cars.

Plus, as one who works with modern technology for a living, I find the old trains with their mechanical E-units and open motors and the vintage transformers so relaxing. Tinplate is really beginning to get me.

I agree with all three of you guys.  when i started in trains in 1987 i liked it when i got my first postwar train i loved it.  then when i found and bought my first prewar train i thought hmmm yep i really love the old trains.  i enjoy working on them to running them.  it keeps me feeling happy  

 

Dave aka Traindork

Gabe is 24 and has a good many old ones. Like you, he values the history of the pieces as much as their work. One thing we've always wondered: how did so many prewar trains survive the scrap drives? A whole lot were lost to overzealous moms cleaning out toy boxes. Each survivor must have a story. (Of course, that's how the Christmas book happened...) 

He has an old 2056 with some obvious old home repairs. It doesn't run all that well because it must have had a million scale miles when he bought it. it's scuffed up and doesn't have it's original tender. Take it anywhere, set it on the track, and kids will flock to see the thing even with all kinds of well-detailed modern engines running. That thing must have a heck of a story.

 

--Becky

I ran postwar trains when they were new, and prewar when they weren't yet that old.  I still run the train in the photos below.  Frankly, even in perfect condition, they don't run as smoothly or slowly as modern, but running them brings back memories and the feeling of that time long ago.  The world wasn't really perfect then, and it wasn't all like a Norman Rockwell painting, but that's the way you remember it when you are running those old trains.  

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This is a nice enjoyable thread.  Like the other forumites who have posted on this topic I too have a love and never ending fascination for pre and post war trains.  I have an ancient Lionel 153 manufactured circa 1920 currently in my possession.  When I picked this engine up it had been sitting in a wet basement for about 50 years.  The old cloth wiring was most mostly rotted, it was full of rust and caked stone aged grease deposits.  Nevertheless, just like Joe Sco's 221 after sputtering for a few seconds this thing took off like the road runner and all I did was give it a little spritz of oil.  This little engine has been rewired, thoroughly cleaned and re-lubed and runs as smoothly as when it was first manufactured.  I have no doubt whatsoever that if it stays in my family it will be running 90 years from now.  Truly, the old trains are magnificent marvels of durable engineering.

I will admit that I like running the modern stuff as well but the old engines have a simplistic charm that warms my heart.  Like Joe, I am virtually entranced about each engine's unique history when I handle them and watch them run.  To me, each one is almost like miniature time machine transporting me back into the past.  They really are a neat trip. 

 

 

I run conventional, postwar and modern.  To me the era is not relevant, although I confess to a particular fondness for my 646 Hudson.  I don't believe that toy trains should be run slowly, so I run them medium to fast.  My Zen peace comes from turning the overhead light off and grooving to the imperfection of flickering lights and the music of motors and gears and wheels on tube track rails.

 

Pete

Originally Posted by Texas Pete:

I run conventional, postwar and modern.  To me the era is not relevant, although I confess to a particular fondness for my 646 Hudson.  I don't believe that toy trains should be run slowly, so I run them medium to fast.  My Zen peace comes from turning the overhead light off and grooving to the imperfection of flickering lights and the music of motors and gears and wheels on tube track rails.

 

Pete

Pete, I couldn't agree more. I would add that there is also a distinct smell that permeates the room and transports me back to those childhood days and the wonderful memories of the time shared with my Dad.

That's a nice essay, Joe, and speaks for many of us. Thanks for it.  It may be why some folks also prefer antique furnishings over contemporary - the history or speculation about it, the richness of old patina, not to mention the quality of construction.

 

A used Lionel set headed by #2026 was the first train for me and my sibs.  It came with a large oval of 031 O-gauge and two manual switches.  We didn't have room for a layout, but we did set it up on the living room rug or dining room table (!) when Mom would let us.  There is a bent part on 2026 still, where, in our youthful exuberance, we must have run her too fast around the 031 curves.

I'm in my 30's as well & collect pretty much all postwar ( w/ some MPC).   The history of the trains & the stories each one tells w/ their nicks & scrapes  is part of the fun for me.  I also love the simplistic design & being able to take stuff apart & fix most of it myself, as parts are still in a good supply.  There's a magic to those old trains that doesn't seem to come across with the new stuff.  I also love being able to recreate an era that I wasn't alive to have known, but in my train room, it's always the 1950's.

 

 

   

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

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I love the old trains.  (Even though my  permanent layout is 2-rail scale DCC).  Setting up a big tubular "layout" out on the deck or through two rooms on the floor carpeting is a wonderful "fix" every now and then.  The F3s, 675, 2025, 726, 736, 2055, and 2046 operating flawlessly is both invigorating mood-boosting!  The scale equipment is tremendous, but the old post war Lionel is life-saving at times.  It's like having my soul tuned up!

Originally Posted by Wood:

Chris - You have shared many pictures of your toy train set and I have enjoyed viewing them.  Very nice detail and you have created a realistic image of a well run Postwar train display.  Super job.  Thanks for sharing....

 

Wood

 

Christopher posted:

 

 Thanks. Glad you enjoy the layout photos!

Originally Posted by Becky, Tom & Gabe Morgan:

 One thing we've always wondered: how did so many prewar trains survive the scrap drives? A whole lot were lost to overzealous moms cleaning out toy boxes. Each survivor must have a story.

I can at least tell you the story of my father's #252.

 

He received it for Christmas, 1929, as far as I've been able to tell.  Then, when he went off to WWII, it went in his parents' attic.  Somehow during that interval, it got very beat-up, lost one of its couplers and most of the brass trim items.  Likewise, most of the latch couplers on its three passenger cars went missing or broken off.  Dad always denied any knowledge of how this damage occurred.

 

At any rate, sometime in the mid-Fifties (1955, I think, when I was seven), after we got back from a visit to my grandmother, Dad was beginning to set up our yearly train platform, when he brought out a battered cardboard box.  Inside was a strange-looking green locomotive -- made of sheet metal, no less -- and some pieces of 027 track.

 

I was intrigued, and asked Dad about it.  To my puzzlement, he told me that this had been his train set when he was a kid, which set my mind down entirely new pathways.  Here before me was actual physical evidence that not only had my father once been a kid himself, but had played with trains, just like I did!  I felt as though a window had been opened onto another world.

 

But the mood did not last.  Once we had the train platform set up and my own 2026 was chugging along its rounds for yet another year, I decided that I wanted to see this strange relic in action.  I put it on the track and raised my 1033's voltage...

 

Nothing happened.  I could see a bit of sparking from the internal mechanism, and heard a faint, ominous hum.  I alerted my father to these facts, and he tried the same test, with the same results.  That night, he took the shell from the chassis, looked inside, and prodded here and there.  Eventually, he shrugged and said he could see nothing wrong with it.

 

I was disappointed, but still thought such a fascinating piece belonged on the layout somewhere.  I put down a couple of sections of straight track and made a static display out of the 252 and its cars. My amateurish applications of 3-in-1 Oil accomplished nothing beyond making a minor mess.  But at least, even as a motionless display piece, it could still be a part of the family's Christmas.  I did that into the mid-Sixties, every year, until that inevitable day late in my high-school career when I decided I was Too Old for Toy Trains.

 

Fast forward to 2010.  Dad had passed on some years before, and Mom was in one of her cleaning-up moods, this time focusing on the attic.  On one of my visits to her, she brought me a vaguely familiar-looking cardboard box.  Inside was the sad remains of the old tinplate train.  The passenger cars were no more deplorable than they'd ever been, but the 252 was a zombie version of itself, even worse than the first day I'd seen it.  The headlight, pantograph and whistle were missing altogether, the body was long separated from the frame, everything was covered in years of dust and grime and -- worst of all -- the dreaded Zinc Rot had claimed the drive wheels, reducing them to brittle crust.  "Do you want this?" Mom asked me. "Otherwise, I'll throw them out."

 

I hesitated. Certainly the cars were worth having, but the locomotive looked like it had already been consigned to the garbage years before.  Could it even be restored?  And if it could, did I have the skills and the patience to do it?  By this time, I'd become fairly proficient in bringing postwar locomotives back to life (my own 1951 2026 not the least among them), but this was something new.  Would it even be worth the trouble?

 

Oh well, I decided. I've just retired, so I have all the time I'll need.  What've I got to lose?

 

So I took the box home for further study.  The 252's body shell wasn't in bad shape.  Certainly, I'd seen much worse.  But the mechanism...

 

I began by cleaning everything of years of accumulated gunk.  The 3-in-1 Oil from my days of bumbling innocence now came back to haunt me, but alcohol and plenty of Q-Tips removed its residue and much else.  And when I'd gotten things reasonably clean, I had to admit that Dad had been right -- there didn't appear to be anything seriously wrong.

 

Deciding that even if the armature wires were shot I could at least make a shelf display out of it, I began prying into the motor with a bright lamp and a toothpick.  First thing I noticed was that the brushes were missing altogether.  Again I wondered how this damage could have happened.  I ran a few simple electrical continuity tests and couldn't find any shorts or dead wires.  But down there, deep inside the motor frame...

 

I probed deeper, and discovered one of the missing brushes jammed between the armature and the field coil.  When I teased it out with a miniature screwdriver, it dropped to the tabletop, followed just seconds later by its twin.  They weren't even badly worn!

 

I doused them in an alcohol bath to remove soaked-in oil, and meanwhile cleaned the commutator thoroughly.  At last, I lubed the bearings with LaBelle oil, returned the brushes to their places, and attached a couple of wires to my 1033.  I touched one to the frame and the other to a roller...and was amazed to see the ancient motor spin merrily for the first time since...well, probably the late Thirties!  I felt like Dr. Frankenstein surveying his creation's first lurching steps. It's alive!  It's alive!

 

There's little need to go into detail about the rest of the resurrection process.  This was when I discovered Jeff Kane of The Train Tender.  I ordered new trim parts, new couplers to replace the broken ones, and, most of all, new wheels. All the wires with old, cracked insulation had to be replaced, and in one case, rerouted.  With everything back where it should be, I re-lubricated thoroughly and screwed the body back in place.

 

I twirled a new light bulb into its new headlight housing and put the locomotive on a loop of 027 test track.  All of my trials had been successful.  Would it still run?  Carefully, I attached a lockon to the track and cracked the throttle of the 1033. The little 252 hummed for a second as if disoriented by waking from its decades-long sleep, then took off down the straightaway like a happy puppy learning to run.

 

Next the cosmetic issues.  Once I'd gotten the grime off the locomotive and cars, they didn't look bad at all.  There were some chips here and there, but nothing major.  I decided not to attempt repainting them.  With a coat of high-quality automotive wax on them, they looked just fine.

 

The cars were next, of course.  With their new couplers, they could be connected at last.  New light bulbs soon had them illuminated once more.  And with the lights down low, you can almost believe it's Christmas, 1929, once again.

 

And that's the story of how at least one prewar train survived -- and will continue to survive, when I pass it on.  I really doubt that the WWII scrap drives claimed many of them; they were just too precious to their owners (and too large an investment to the adults who purchased them).  Time, forgetfulness and lack of understanding from subsequent generations were their biggest enemies, and probably still are.

 

We are all stewards.

 

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I'm 23, and agree with how relaxing and therapeutic running prewar and postwar trains is. I run them a lot more than my modern stuff.

 

I have my Grandpa's 265E. It's story is that he got it around 1937, and he hated it (still says it doesn't look like a train, even after I showed him pictures of the real thing). Even so, his father set it up every year (and derailed it a lot more). Over the years, it mostly stayed in the box, but it came out every now and then. Along the way, it's whistle was pulled out (but kept with the set), and the 659 dump car was lost at his brother's house.

 

Then, in the late 90's, he let me borrow it for a Christmas layout. It had a charm that none of my modern sets had. I ran that thing a lot. 10 years later, he gave it to me to keep. I replaced the cab, reinstalled the whistle, and now am rewiring it, but it's still relaxing to run or even repair it.

I've got some modern era loco's, but most are PW and MPC. The modern era are engines never made in the 50's: a UP 4-6-6-4, a BL-2, a scale length GG-1, and a 0-4-0 Docksider, along with some reproductions and reissues. What gets run the most? You guessed it! The PW, along with my PW acessories and operating cars (and I don't need a computer to run them).

I am 37 and never owned a train in my life. About 8 years ago my father in law pulled out his trains from his youth and set them up in his living room. Nobody even paid attention.  A couple years later I decided it would be fun to set them up at our house with my 3 year old and I asked him if he wanted to. Reluctantly he said yes. He brought over his 2333 Santa Fe and aluminum cars and his fathers 675 and set it all up with me. From there it has exploded and I have nothing but postwar. My now 2 yr old son walks to the basement door and says Choo Choo bc he wants to play with the trains.

I feel that the epitome of toy trains was and still is the Lionel Scale Hudson. I just love watching the engine with the superb detail running around the layout with a string of 20th Century Ltd. NY Central cars. I run the 5340 (90's conventional version). Prototype Steam Locomotives had loads of detail while diesels had little. The detail and the intricacies of the side rods, cow catcher, coupler, spoke rimmed wheels and steam pipes is amazing. Realism in model trains brought to life.  IMO, it doesn't get any better than that

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