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Will / Fatman:  Thank you for your comment on my "Bub" set.  Fatman, I agree likely 60's or 70's for the manufacture date due to the plastic wheels.   Thank you also for your illustration of the symbol on my gondola car.  There is  no doubt that the one you showed in the pictures of the cars you posted is the same symbol.  Have to try and find out what it means.

G-Man-24 / Gerry :  WOW!!! I have never seen this item before in fact until you quoted the Greenberg reference I never knew it existed.  What a find!  Candidly I cannot imagine how wealthy a family had to be in 1932 (depths of the Great Depression) to afford such an item for their children.  I did read some articles on Lionel Factory displays and it mentions that each one was hand built so they differ slightly one from another.  I have never seen even a picture of one as elaborate as yours.  Thank you for posting.

Don

Whew !!!

Finally broke the drought !!!

Nothing uber fantastiche but I will take anything at the moment LOL

Locally here in Aus I scored two little passenger carriages .. one Marklin and the other Pionerexpressen

Yet to do full dilligence on them but I was so excited about finally having something to share I could not wait .

Marklin is 1926-31 apparently from a quick search while posting and the Pionerexpressen is the first item from this Danish manufacturer in my collection ... for now it will only have the Wittrocks to keep it company until I find him some friends

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PD and Fatman:

Fatman: If you ever make that trip to the US, you will be pleased to know that your Pionerexpressen Coach has an identical  "mate" here in Texas.  I purchased mine during a business trip to Denmark sometime in the 90's.  My recollection is that I bought it at a "flea" market (in UK this is often called a "Boot Sale") while walking around and paid some inconsequential sum for it.  I know very little about the manufacturer, which I assume is "Pioneer" and would love to know more if you have any information.

PD:  I took the liberty and did some investigation on your Hornby Junction Signal.  Here is what I can make out from your picture

1. It is definitely pre -war.  The "lattice work" on the uprights was offered from its introduction in about 1925 until the signal was withdrawn along with the rest of the line for the war in 1939.  

2. Your two uprights above the spectacle brace galley are the same size.  That indicates that someone may have modified the signal as you mentioned in your post.  I have no pictures of any other signal, pre or post war that the two posts were not tall to the left and short to the right.

3. I cannot see the base, but its color is important for dating.  There were 3 colors black (early), blue (middle years) and green (common to late pre war and all post war signals)

4.  I can see the color of the ladder and the bell cranks , both black .  However, again it see a possible modification, as all the illustrations I have show the bell crank at the base and yours appear at the gantry.  (Note - my reference states that there were many, many variations to these signals and the position of that bell crank may indeed have been one).  

5. I note that the top of your uprights have flat "caps" and not finials.  This alone does date the signal to post 1934

6. Finally a GUESS!  If the ladder is black as it seems in the picture and the base is green.  The flat caps and this combination of colors dates your signal from just prior to withdrawal due to the war in 1939.

7. One more thing. My pictures do not show the combination of chevron (yellow) and stripe (red) flags.  Most No. 2 signals have flags of just one type.  However, Hornby made a "dual arm" signal (two flags at different heights on one upright post)  that almost always had the two different flags.  OBTW the "Distant" signal was the yellow chevron and the "Home" signal was the red stripe.  Again my reference allows that variations on these themes were numerous, in fact the book claims they were too numerous to completely list.

For your information.  My  data comes from..."The Hornby Companion Series, The Hornby Gauge O System" by Chris and Julie Graebe, New Cavendish Books, UK, 1985.

Hope this helps you to date your signal.  Note, if the base is NOT green, let me know the color and I can most likely quickly date the signal by that alone.

Don

Ok, a bit late, but I finally made a video of the Christmas layout I have been working on and posted stills of earlier. (The layout is not quite finished but close enough) You'll have to get in a Christmas mood, but I thought you might possibly find it entertaining. It is dedicated to my Dad as most of the trains are his from the late 1920s to the mid 1930s.  As I said in my earlier post, it is a "what if" Lionel table layout. But there two things that are not Lionel (aside from cars etc.). One will be obvious to prewar collectors (repainted to disguise it a bit).  The other is this set of 4 telephone/telegraph poles that were my grandfather's.  I think they might be Voltamp, but I really don't know. They seem to be cast, no markings, and are 10" high. They add some nice forced perspective to the scene. Can anyone positively identify them?

Please check out the video and tell me what you think. And keep in mind that this is my first youtube video ever (shot with an iphone 7) and first time using an app called MoviePro and first time editing in iMovie. It was an adventure to try to shoot the darker scenes and this is about the limit of my current abilities and equipment.  There is a certain amount of noise and motion blur.  It was one or the other or a bit of both. Anyway, I had a lot of fun learning the software and making it and look forward to making more "movies". The soundtrack is a Christmas favorite recorded by Joe Moss and His Society Orchestra in 1935.

Oh, note the postwar 3472 milk car that snuck in. Also notice the 814R next to it,  waiting to be converted to an operating milk car and take over the job.

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Will, what a great layout and a super video.  It really looks neat including all the captions and the background music.  Super job.  I for one have been fully unsuccessful in getting any video I shoot with my iphone to transfer to this site.  If you have somewhere that instructions or guidance was posted, I would really appreciate the link or source.

Don

Will, what a great layout and a super video.  It really looks neat including all the captions and the background music.  Super job.  I for one have been fully unsuccessful in getting any video I shoot with my iphone to transfer to this site.  If you have somewhere that instructions or guidance was posted, I would really appreciate the link or source.

Don

Thanks, Don, for the compliments. I think Rich has a sticky topic about imbedding video. But mine isn't embedded. I just copied and pasted the youtube link. You might need to post it to a site like youtube or vimeo and embed or link from there. I don't know for sure, but I suspect you can't upload a video directly to this forum.

@Will posted:

Yes, the Christmas layout is still up. Plugging away at it in my own dogged way. Except for the woeful lack of signals, it is pretty much accessorized. You will note (horrors) snow glued to the roofs. This is a mix of joint compound, washable Elmers glue and diamond dust, so completely reversible. (I hope) Doesn't matter, this is their final destination.

I posted the unfinished balustrades a few weeks ago. For now they are "cream", matching the bridge posts. I could make the actual rails and turnings green as suggested by John Shelter, but will it be too busy?

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Will , that is fantastic looking ! And great job on your ballustrades , they add a lot to the look of your display .

Annnd the floodgates are opening again

Just scored an addition to my post-war US-zone Wimmer 8-wheel carriages

A nice little DSG Carriage wending its way to me from snowy Denmark to mate nicely with his green brethren already in the collection down here in the sun 

( although someone has had a great time turning his usual downward facing couplers into exited erect bananas! )

@Don McErlean Pioner expressen ( if searching you have to get the spelling right lol ) is a Danish maker of mainly O guage stuff founded in 1947-8 by Knud Petersen in Copenhagen and shut up shop about 1965 . Knud P. was the original name applied for the very first sets ...in 1948 Knud bought out another Danish manufacturer of train sets CEPAS ... a short history can be found here

https://translate.google.com/t...v=search&pto=aue

https://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/cepas/index.html  <----CEPAS

Which shows how the family diversified into eventually Slot and Jukebox machines along with  model train production ( It is thought they saw the writing on the wall when Marklin began its push into the Scandinavian countries in the late 50's )

A catalogue can be seen here for the trains & history etc as part of the 50th anniversary of Knud P .

Sadly as its a pic its still in Danish lol

https://translate.googleuserco...DcVEmvM3Wv1Vc3QRxmyA

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Fatman:  Thank you very much for the information on Pioner Ekspressen and its founder and history.  I looked up all the links you provided and downloaded the info, so now I have some data on this company that I had never had before.  I was struck as I looked through the catalog (although as you said the captions under the picture are still in Danish)  of the similarity of the small loco with the orange colored platform to the small Karl Bub loco I posted pictures of on 2/6.  Perhaps some of those tools sold in 1978 made their way to Bub to continue a line of inexpensive toys??

Don

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