Weekend Tinplate photos 📸 and videos 📽 4/9/20!

A flashback to a happier time.  My Christmas layout just three months ago...

My first Lionel train set I bought maybe thirty five years ago. A little 259e and tender originally without whistle, and three cars, except for the top of the tank car all has been well preserved. it has been the start of a little collection...

Have a happy easter time and stay safe,   Daniel

lol@ "little collection" comment by Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS 

I missed out on showing anything last week because I was saving my pennies for this weeks "new to me " items

First up I am kind of proud of these because they are my first true "Big Boy" British Hornby carriages , and what a pair to start out with !!! ...

Nut & Bolt construction Pullman & Dining/Saloon coaches ... one from the early period ( 1921-22) being Green & Cream with gold lined windows and fixed doors ( not opening as in later iterations) and the other about 1924 as it has opening latching doors .

These have had some restoration but remain very much period , with roof touch ups etc ... but for something emering their 100th year shortly are indeed pretty nice ... Sourced locally here in Aus

Fixed door Pullman

Underside showing Meccano Nut & Bolt construction ..

Later opening door Pullman

Probably not meaning too much to anyone else , but to me these were kinda "Holy Grail" territory so I was very chuffed to grab them

While I was feeling rather pleased with myself I also brought home another very early Hornby

A King George the Fifth Clockwork locomotive ( with a non correct tender , but I wasnt quibbling because its also a hard to get one)

The King George was released as an evolution of the Tinplated Train Line that kicked Hornby off in 1920

This looks to be a later transitional George as it has the front coupler( earlier version)  and no wheel connecting rods ( also earlier runs) but is fitted with the non-reversing motor , so that puts it firmly 1923-25 I would think , but nevertheless a handsome model and harking from the very early days of Hornby ...

It has been a GOOD week!

Stay safe everyone!

Looks great guys!

@Fatman, those coaches are very nice. My collection target is much more recent,mth 2816 hoppers.   In regards to single sale cars, this was one of the last two I needed. Not readily available,  but not quite Holy Grail category either. 

This is mth 10-8023.

I had been looking for this for a few months and couldn't find anything.  Then one showed up as a group of five cars and another that was way overpriced.   After another couple months of on and off negotiations and a world wide pandemic,  I was finally able to acquire one in like new condition for a great price.  Now, if anyone has an mth 11-70014 olive green hopper w/brass trim available in good shape,  please let me know!😃

I really love the MTH/Ives 3236 engines and cars. They were only offered once in the 2007 Tinplate Catalog (My all time favorite tinplate catalog). Over time I have managed to find 4 out of the 5 that were offered. I am still missing the Crackle Red. The red cars are not MTH they are restored Ives originals. This is the first time all 4 of my sets have been home.

Scott Smith

A goood friend of mine sent a photo of a new project he just picked up. I am sure many will recognize the source... posting with his permission of course, he says hello...

The National Limited and my new National Limited Townhome.  I still need to bright coat the building, but the paint needs to cure first.

Scott Smith

Dennis Holler posted:

A goood friend of mine sent a photo of a new project he just picked up. I am sure many will recognize the source... posting with his permission of course, he says hello...

I am sure D... will make something nice with it ... Say him Hello too...  Daniel

Fatman posted:

lol@ "little collection" comment by Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS 

I missed out on showing anything last week because I was saving my pennies for this weeks "new to me " items

First up I am kind of proud of these because they are my first true "Big Boy" British Hornby carriages , and what a pair to start out with !!! ...

Nut & Bolt construction Pullman & Dining/Saloon coaches ... one from the early period ( 1921-22) being Green & Cream with gold lined windows and fixed doors ( not opening as in later iterations) and the other about 1924 as it has opening latching doors .

These have had some restoration but remain very much period , with roof touch ups etc ... but for something emering their 100th year shortly are indeed pretty nice ... Sourced locally here in Aus

 

 

Probably not meaning too much to anyone else , but to me these were kinda "Holy Grail" territory so I was very chuffed to grab them

While I was feeling rather pleased with myself I also brought home another very early Hornby

A King George the Fifth Clockwork locomotive ( with a non correct tender , but I wasnt quibbling because its also a hard to get one)

 

 

 

The King George was released as an evolution of the Tinplated Train Line that kicked Hornby off in 1920

This looks to be a later transitional George as it has the front coupler( earlier version)  and no wheel connecting rods ( also earlier runs) but is fitted with the non-reversing motor , so that puts it firmly 1923-25 I would think , but nevertheless a handsome model and harking from the very early days of Hornby ...

It has been a GOOD week!

Stay safe everyone!

Hello @Fatman those Hornby are nice , and they are not so common ones to find, they still look nice and if it is the models that sold in your country last week I was thinking to bid on one... as you I do not have a perfect matching set, one with door and the other without.... but I am pleased with them; a transitional set in imagination ....

Daniel

A few news in the collection.

Kraus Fandor Tank car with automatic coupler

Fandor decoupler

Brimtoy a green warehouse, here together with a other Brimtoy and a Bing in the middle.

Last week I had found a Carette custon house, but needs some repair.

For the missing fence, I have made a mold

Drilling the holes in the fence posts

A new fence made with tin

Arne

Arne, brilliant!

My ol' reliable prewar #228 shifting a cabin car. 

Happy Easter everyone.

Tom 

Arne posted:

A few news in the collection.

Last week I had found a Carette custon house, but needs some repair.

For the missing fence, I have made a mold

Drilling the holes in the fence posts

A new fence made with tin

Arne

Arne,

 Beautiful casting work.

Tom

Dennis Holler posted:

A goood friend of mine sent a photo of a new project he just picked up. I am sure many will recognize the source... posting with his permission of course, he says hello...

Dennis,

  Thanks for posting...good stuff...good guy.

Tom

MNCW posted:

Arne posted:

A few news in the collection.

Last week I had found a Carette custon house, but needs some repair.

For the missing fence, I have made a mold

Drilling the holes in the fence posts

A new fence made with tin

Arne

Arne,

 Beautiful casting work.

Tom

Arne,

Nice job on the fence.

Will you be repainting the building as well?

If so mask of the windows and doors.

That way you'll still have the original graphics but the building walls will be fresh.

Well here are my newest tinplate acquisitions.  Fatman, I must admit that they are at least in part, FRENCH Hornby, at least as far as I can determine.  The loco is an O-4-0 steam tender type. It appears to be a No 1E Special supplied with a 20 volt motor.  It is marked as S.N.C.F and 20 v on the smoke deflectors at the boiler front.  In addition, its French heritage is indicated by "Serie Hornby" embossed in the lower edge of the boiler front.  This was one of the "new look"  No 1 French engines introduced in 1933 with twin domes, high running plates,cylinders that were castings, and automatic couplers were fitted on the front. It was available in Est. flat brown among other colors.  However after 1938 post French nationalization the No 1 was also available marked S.N.C.F and there were less expensive versions (of which this may be one) with the 20V mechanism offered.  Mine has a manual reverse, which may make it one of the less expensive versions as remote reverse was offered from 1934.

Here is the loco by itself.  It is a long way from perfect,however the neat thing is that it runs great.  Although a 20 volt motor and my ZW only puts out about 18 it ran fine, even the headlight came on.  Manual reverse also works.

Now here is the defiantly NOT French consist that come with the loco.  These are No 1 LNER Hornby coaches.  These were most likely made between 1949 and 1951 although the basic design and lithography dates back to 1934 when they went from 3 compartments with opening doors to 4 compartments and fixed (actually just lithographed) doors. Tinplate wheels date the car to before 1951 (after which the wheels were plastic) but the fact that the sheet metal on either side of the journal box was not punched out dates them to post 1949.  So French engine but English consist... French Hornby actually also made coaches similar to the No 1 but the color schemes were very different.

Here is my new engine pulling its consist of 3 LNER coaches.  Which it did easily on my flat oval layout.  I was surprised in one sense, the engine only has one power pick up, yet unlike many of my Lionel short wheelbase locos, it had absolutely no trouble going over the switches.  Go figure!

One more picture.  Besides the 3 LNER coaches which are "wood brown" and which may complement the loco more, the set came with 3 LMS coaches in a maroon livery.  These are a little later in that they have plastic wheels which means they are post 1951 however they do have the matt black frame which means they are pre 1958 when the frame switched to glossy black.  These really look a little nicer (my wife's opinion) which is why they are on the display shelf

Anyway I have 3 of these coaches as well so the loco can have its choice. 

So that has been my tinplate weekend so far...having a great time.  Fatman, if you have any data on this loco please post.  I spent much of an afternoon with my one Hornby reference and I am still not sure I have it right. 

Don McErlean

It's going to take me awhile to get used to this.  I logged into the Tinplate Forum, didn't see Chris's dependable-as-the-sunrise post and courtesy of COVID, got to worrying about his health...and then I remembered - whew, what a relief!

  First Row: Bing ca 1910, Fandor ca 1918, Marx - post war, Ives - early 20's 

  Second Row:  Ives - late 20's, American Flyer - mid 30's and Lionel mid 30's

  I guess you could say this is an example of how tinplate grows on you over time.

@Don McErlean That particular loco is not in my wheelhouse ( yet... lol ) but its certainly on my "want" list

I have seen these produced after the war as well , I have not extensively researched them much tho

They are sometimes referred to as "OVA" locomotives.

From what little research I have done I kinda have the feeling yours might be a post war version as seen in the below set

it appeared as late as 1959 in the French Hornby/Dinky Catalogue

https://gibitrains.pagesperso-...gue_meccano_1959.pdf

and on page 6 of this one

http://club-amis-meccano.net/d..._manuel_de_vente.pdf

 I found an image from Clive Lammings as well

HORNBY French trains toys "O" and "HO"

@FRENCHTRAINS  How cool .. we have matching sets lol!

Yes these were most probably the ones you were looking at , and I am SOOOO glad you didn't cost me a fortune for them lol.. they went uber realistically pricewise which is why I could afford them

How amazing that you have the Dining/Saloon with the opening doors with the plain Pullman with fixed doors , and I have the reverse ! With the opening Pullman and the closed in Saloon/Dining ... Between us we have two period correct sets (albeit on different continents )

Nothing to share but almost missed the string in it's new home.

Steve

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Nothing to share but almost missed the string in it's new home.

Steve

Same sadly ... (As in almost missing ) tis a bit nonsensical but what can ya do ?

Hello Don,

Your French Hornby loco is post war as Fatman explains. It is a N°OE model made from 1939 to 1953 in three colors, first ones where green and are the rarest, dark brown and maroon as yours. In 1954 the same engine became the OVA and was only made in black. The first models as the green one has brass motors.

There seems to have some confusion with the pre war models of the 1S series. The body is the same but the motor is totally different. Quality is also much better except that zamack  wheels tends to disintegrate. They where made in clockwork and electric under 4 liveries of North, Etat, PLM and East each one has his specific colors.  The French SNCF appears in 1938 and was the merging of all the previous private railways.

Here is one to illustrate the difference.....

Very best,   Daniel

Daniel / Fatman :  What can I say, your help is invaluable.  I have only one Hornby reference and it is very skimpy on the French trains (just one chapter in the entire book).  There is no question that you are both right, my loco is a postwar version that is similar to the 1S prewar engines but not the same. I thought that might be the case as it seemed not quite up to the quality description of the pre-war 1S loco although the appearance seemed identical.  I had thought that perhaps it was a cheaper version of the 1S loco offered at the same time, but being postwar when the shift to OO was going on makes more sense.  Daniel, the difference you showed in the motor picture is obvious to me as my engine has only a single pick up, which is why it traversing my switches without stalling so surprised me.  The pictures that the two of you posted are clearly the same loco as I have.  Fatman, seeing the loco in a set was a real treat! What a set box especially the cover!!  FrenchTrains, knowing that I might have one of the more rare color schemes is really cool...rather be lucky than smart any day.  As I said, mine came with 6 Hornby No 1 coaches but they were all in UK liveries (pre nationalization all) and marked made in UK.  Well even postwar it is something like 60 years old yet it ran like the proverbial top and pulled the coaches without trouble so I am very satisfied.  It was fun to watch it circle around the layout with all my 1/48th size inhabitants wondering where such a train came from (only kidding of course).

Guys this exchange really shows the value of this forum to folks like me who are far from expert but just like to collect trains.  Being able to tap the expertise of folks like Fatman and French Trains was not only great fun but of great interest and it allowed me to learn more about the trains that I have.  Thank you both very much.

Arnie - your postings continue to astound me.  The Fandor tanker (I am sort of a tanker collector) was just super.  My recollection is that Fandor was the re-spelling of Dorfan to help alleviate the WW 1 era anti-German feelings in the U.S.  Your casting of the fence posts for the station was really brilliant - super job.

Best wishes to all, stay healthy and again thanks for the great information on my French Hornby

Respectfully

Don McErlean

Don - Fanny and Dora were the mothers of two cousins, Milton and Julius Forchheimer. The first part of their names were joined together to make the name Fandor and, when the cousins moved to America in 1923 they reversed the order and made Dorfan.

...as for Fandor tanks in O gauge - here's a few more.

Robert S. Butler..." Tanks for the Reply" (OK that was a corny joke, a product of living at home for weeks )  Robert I must admit I am somewhat embarrassed at having the Fandor / Dorfan story exactly the opposite of what actually happened.  It was DORFAN that became the US entity not Fandor.  Wow - I messed that up !  Thanks for the pictures.  I might have said this before but I am sort of a tanker guy.  I have nearly everyone of Lionel's tankers, both pre and post war including most if not all of the variations (except the so called "scale tanker" of late pre-war its just too pricey).  Plus a bunch of Flyer (mostly prewar), Marx, 3 postwar Hornby tanks and 2 Chad Valley Tanks but I have only 1 German tank - a Dressler Luna Tanker from the 1950's (Credit to Arnie for ID'ing that guy).

Robert thank you for the data and the pictures and taking the time to post them.

Respectfully

Don McErlean

OK JUST FOR FUN I am going to post a few pictures of some of my "shoebox" items (i.e. items I store in a shoe box - no kidding).  They are Tinplate and the first one sort of supports my post and response to Robert S. Butler on tanker's. 

This is a Japanese - Yonezawa Toy Co, Ltd, tanker from perhaps the 1950's to 60's.  IAW the Yonezawa web site they were the largest producer of tin toys in Japan from the 1950's to the early 1970's although the trademark continued into the 90's but the company was acquired by Sega Toys.  The car is fully tinplate, including wheels and frame, except for the knuckle couplers which are plastic. You can see the Yonezawa trade mark on the lower right hand side of the tank.  Pictures of this tank along with a caboose and a tender (alas no engine is shown) are on the Yonezawa Toys web side although you have to dig through a lot of pictures of toys to find it.

This is the end of the tank, rather nicely lithographed I thought even including the logo and some rivet detail.  Note the hand belongs to my Granddaughter

Here is a size comparison...the Texaco tanker at the bottom is a Hornby Dublo tanker and assumed to be scale.  Unfortunately  this Hornby tanker was the only train item I could find even after scouring lots of stores on a trip to Northern Ireland last year I normally don't pick up HO (or OO) but I could not return home without some sort of train item.  The 8 wheel (2 are missing) car is an all plastic car and is a fantasy car from a company called "Classical New Style" shown here for size comparison.  This fantasy car has pivoting trucks and "loop and hook" couplers like many European toys but the car has NO country of manufacture , just the company name hence it may be made in the US.

So you can see, the Yonezawa tin plate tanker is approximately OO in size, BUT NOT IN GAUGE.  The Hornby Dublo is 13/16 " gauge while the Yonezawa is 17/16 ".  The fantasy car is the same gauge as the Yonezawa.

Finally one more picture.  These are the smallest tinplate cars I have found. The box car body is 2 3/4" long while the caboose body is 2 3/8"  long while the roof for both is just about 3 " in length. Even including the full "hook" of the tab/slot coupler they are only 3 1/2 " long.  The gauge is about 5/8" .  The sides and ends are tinplate and fully lithographed including details like rivets, car data, and door details on the box car.  The frame including wheels and axles are plastic as are the roofs.  They were made in Japan by H.A.JI which is a rather well known brand in Japanese tin trains.

OK fellows, I am done for today in this post, thank you for the data you sent to help me out and I hope you get a smile out of my "shoebox" trains, as I will now take them upstairs to the train room and return them to storage (think the final scene from "Raiders of the Lost Ark").

Respectfully

Don McErlean

Don McErlean posted:

Arnie - your postings continue to astound me.  The Fandor tanker (I am sort of a tanker collector) was just super.  My recollection is that Fandor was the re-spelling of Dorfan to help alleviate the WW 1 era anti-German feelings in the U.S.  Your casting of the fence posts for the station was really brilliant - super job.

Best wishes to all, stay healthy and again thanks for the great information on my French Hornby

Respectfully

Don McErlean

Don,

a few days ago, we had started a thread with tank cars in a german forum. There a lot of uncommon models. Please have a look at:

Tinplate Tanker

Arne

Arnie the German site was stunning.  I saw tank cars that I never knew existed.  For a "tanker -a- holic" like me I just couldn't get enough.  I saw a Luna tanker like mine and a Fleischmen tanker that I have and can now identify.  Believe it or not, when I took a graduate degree I had to take an exam in a foreign language and I selected German so I have a VERY rudimentary skill in reading (none in speaking!) so I could even make out a few of the captions.  

Can we contribute?  I have 2 Chad Valley tankers that were not shown plus some Ives and Pre-War American Flyer (all tinplate) that I didn't see pictured.

Thank you for the notification of the site

Don McErlean

@Don McErlean thanks for your kind words , but you do yourself a little injustice, I have learnt from you as well and admire your research tenacity !

As a reward ( lol ) now I know your tanker obsession I will add just a few for your delectation

As you are in a Hornby mood at the moment how about a nice US Style Hornby Tanker ... Hornby had a flirtation with the American Market and in 1927 set up a US based manufacturing workshop in Elizabeth New Jersey... as history tells us , just prior to one of Americas greatest depressions was not the ideal time to be doing that ! The plant was sold to AC Gilbert in late '29

Hornby then took the tooling back to the UK where they continued to produce the series in Liverpool

Of course Hornby had their local tankers too!

Sakai Japan

Mizuno Japan

Bing

French Hornby

Ok Thats enough .. dont want to overstimulate you

Don McErlean posted:

Arnie the German site was stunning.  I saw tank cars that I never knew existed.  For a "tanker -a- holic" like me I just couldn't get enough.  I saw a Luna tanker like mine and a Fleischmen tanker that I have and can now identify.  Believe it or not, when I took a graduate degree I had to take an exam in a foreign language and I selected German so I have a VERY rudimentary skill in reading (none in speaking!) so I could even make out a few of the captions.  

Can we contribute?  I have 2 Chad Valley tankers that were not shown plus some Ives and Pre-War American Flyer (all tinplate) that I didn't see pictured.

Thank you for the notification of the site

Don McErlean

 

Don,

Glad to hear there are other "tanker-a-holics" out there .

Here are some American Flyer O gauge tankers

Starting with small and going to larger ones.

c. 1914 wooden tank

Unusual 1/2 Dozen 1118 cars

Note I am still trying to assemble 6 nice cars with the same style trucks.  The photo below was taken after I bought an empty box and filled it with all of my 1118 tank cars for a photo.  

I am simply going to skip the rest of the 6 inch variations.  There are a lot of them, but I have more variations of the 9.5 inch cars.

3010 c. 1925-1927

3010 late 1927 or early 1928 (Note the frame is punched for the attachment of steps, different style trucks, and that the tank is punched for brass tags and ladders).

1928 Dark Blue

1929 Green - black trucks

1930 Green - gray early trucks

1931 - green - black frame - gray late trucks - 3210 Plate & American Flyer Plate

1932-33 green - black frame - gray late trucks - American Flyer plates only

1933? - Green - Green frame - gray trucks - American Flyer plates only

At this point, I loose track of what year the tanks were produced, as they go to having decals instead of plates and the frames transition to the newer style with the steps being integrated into the frame.  I can tell you what sets the individual tanks I have came with, but I really loose track of when the actual tanks were produced in the 1934-1937 era.

Blue Frame - Medium Green Tank

Blue Frame - Yellow tank

Blue Frame - Light Green Tank

Medium Green Frame - Medium Green Tank

Medium Green Frame - Light Green Tank

Moving into the 1938 Era

Light Green Frame - Silver Tank

Medium Green Frame - Blue Tank

May have to edit this to add more variations, I just cannot recall and don't have current photos.

NWL

A few more:

Tankers are a favorite...

PD

WOW --- I have  found a "nest" of tanker folks, never thought it possible!    NWL I have one lone 1118 type, sort of a medium grey like yours in the middle of the box, one lone 3010 type, it appears to be the one you pictured with medium green frame and medium green tank, later grey trucks (3 rectangular holes in side of truck plus brass colored journal boxes) and tab / slot couplers. I never realized the bewildering number of variations on the 3010. 

PD thanks for joining in...I have a Texaco just like yours with the 8-wheel configuration but mine has eyelet riveted tab and slot couplers not the link couplers.  Otherwise appears the same. The Lionel tankers were cool as well, but just to let you know so you continue to hunt, the early Lionel tanker that has a sort of light brown tank with "Lionel Tank Lines" printed in black has an earlier variant.  Same physical car but the tank is dark grey with no printing at all.  

Here are two to add to the current picture collection.  This is an American Flyer marked as an X-1128 , with the words "Built in American Flyer Shops, U.S.A.", Texaco lithographed tanker.  with no plates or decals and 2 rather flat copper domes.  The couplers are a very unusual design that it would be interesting to learn why they were done this way.  The shank that makes the tab and contains the rectangular hole for the slot is fixed to the underside of the car by a twisted tab under the axle near the center of the car.  This makes the shank almost 2 3/4" long.  Now long shanks like this were often used along with slots in the base to allow the couplers to move horizontally thus creating slack between cars (often done with clockwork sets).  However these very long shanks are fixed to the frame and they don't slide at all.  So why put them in the middle of the car under an axle with an excessively long shank?  Who knows, but it is clearly an interesting design.

OK here is the classic Marx Joy Line tanker...this one comes from what would be a really good shipping customer to our railroad because it is "Everful" (yes spelled with one "L").  Made by Marx from the late 20's to the early 30's with detail changes but generally the same overall form.  This one with black frame is likely early to mid 30's .  It came with a set I purchased with a red sheet metal loco that dates from about 1932-35 but it was just in a cardboard box so I have no idea if it was original to a "set".

Well I suppose I should say..."Tanks - a - Lot"!  but that would be unbelievably corny.

Happy Easter everyone.  Keep safe and healthy

Don McErlean

Easter greetings delivered via the Lionel "Peter Rabbit Chick-Mobile". One of several O gauge novelty items made by Lionel in the 1930's. The clockwork 1103 Chick-Mobile was made 1935-37 in both floor (non-flanged wheels) and rail versions. In the basket is a "Bonzo" the dog, who was a big hit in the 1920's. Barbra collects Bonzo items, including these figures. https://illustrationchronicles.com/George-Studdy-s-Bonzo-Bonanza-Tales-of-a-Superstar-Dog Have a safe and happy Easter!

Arne posted:

Don McErlean posted:

Arnie - your postings continue to astound me.  The Fandor tanker (I am sort of a tanker collector) was just super.  My recollection is that Fandor was the re-spelling of Dorfan to help alleviate the WW 1 era anti-German feelings in the U.S.  Your casting of the fence posts for the station was really brilliant - super job.

Best wishes to all, stay healthy and again thanks for the great information on my French Hornby

Respectfully

Don McErlean

Don,

a few days ago, we had started a thread with tank cars in a german forum. There a lot of uncommon models. Please have a look at:

Tinplate Tanker

 

Arne

Enjoying all the tank cars. Here are a pair of Bing O gauge tank cars- The two dome tank numbered "1025" is 529/0 petrol wagon seen in the 1926 catalog, and the "Peerless Tank Line" number 1000 is a 525/12 tank car in the 1914 catalog. Because someone asked a question about this one on Facebook, I looked them up in the Bing catalog- the Peerless tank carried the description "to open and to fill with liquid". And sure enough the top of the tank dome is a brass cap that unscrews, I've had this car for years and never knew that. It's a toy train flask! Too cool.

the ives Hiawatha doing freight duty with the af transition cars,,,,,,,love these cars,wish I could find more,enjoy 

John Smatlak posted

Enjoying all the tank cars. Here are a pair of Bing O gauge tank cars- The two dome tank numbered "1025" is 529/0 petrol wagon seen in the 1926 catalog, and the "Peerless Tank Line" number 1000 is a 525/12 tank car in the 1914 catalog. Because someone asked a question about this one on Facebook, I looked them up in the Bing catalog- the Peerless tank carried the description "to open and to fill with liquid". And sure enough the top of the tank dome is a brass cap that unscrews, I've had this car for years and never knew that. It's a toy train flask! Too cool.

I've got a Marklin Shell tanker from the 30's that is rusted out from the inside with still a beautiful outside paint job.  I suspect more than a few met that fate. Mine must have been laying on one side for a while since it seems to have gone through one side and not the other lol.  I just got a Bing single dome like the Peerless on but it's been over painted Black so I'll have to come to some decision on how I want to pursue it.

Here's a couple more of my tank cars...

First an ETS, Next a ratty Dorfan  Indian Tank lines that I just won the whole lot there for 99 cents...   then a junky Fandor tanker hulk I probably paid the same for and last a few Athearn ho tinplate shorty tankers...

Left out Ives 1680

and Lionel Lines Firestone 1680F appeared only in 1940-41 Firestone retail sets.