Weekend tinplate photos/videos 2/8/18!

my basket case af tri valve just keeps getting better,yesterday with the snow an ice,i tore into,got the motor out dirty,yuck,talked to bob hannon and I decided to fire it up,i put 911 on speed dial, it ran,and the reverse switched worked fine,will clean up some more and fix the head light wire

In the Tinplate thread last week Rob English noted that American Flyer designed the engines in their Wide and Narrow gauge lines with similar characteristics. 

That jogged my memory that I had made a similar observation about their rolling stock on the Pre War photos thread on another site.  So my contribution this week are some photos from the archives comparing Wide Gauge and Narrow Gauge cars.

This first comparison is of the enameled cars in the narrow gauge line.

You can certainly see the family resemblance. 

And as compared to a Wide Gauge passenger car

Lumber Cars

Box Cars  or Automobile Cars

Tank Cars

You would see the same similar design across the caboose and the sand car, but apparently I didn't take those photos.  Maybe I will assemble those cars and take some photos later in the weekend.

The side dump car was similar in the 9 1/2"  and 6 1/2" O gauge lines.

EDIT

I had to go poking around in the boxes under the layout but I finally found the other examples and took some photos.

These are the sand car cousins.

And of course bringing up the end, the caboose cousins  (cabousins ?)

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

In France cabooses were unknown. But they did have a Fourgon de queue (tail baggage car) which was used in the same manner as cabooses at the end of a train. Here is the version of JEP of a Fourgon de queue:

Regards

Fred

....and from 1930 we have American Flyer set #1329 The Major Leaguer

The catalog promise

...and the set itself

  One aspect of the catalog cut and the actual contents that is worth noting is the Automobile box car.  In the catalog cut the car is a basic yellow car with no winged locomotive logo and there is no letter board label "American Flyer Lines".

  The actual contents have the winged locomotive logo but no letter board...however, all is not as it seems.  The litho treatment did not change from the earlier issue of the car (below)

  What did happen is that American Flyer adjusted the cutting of the litho sheet so that the "American Flyer Line" letter board rode higher on the car shell which meant that when the roof was attached the letter board lettering was hidden - hence a "new" car without a change in the litho sheets.

Greg J. Turinetti posted:

In the Tinplate thread last week Rob English noted that American Flyer designed the engines in their Wide and Narrow gauge lines with similar characteristics. 

Rob English posted:

 .....  I really like how Flyer designed these locos to look so similar in Narrow and Wide gauges.

That jogged my memory that I had made a similar observation about their rolling stock on the Pre War photos thread on another site.  So my contribution this week are some photos from the archives comparing Wide Gauge and Narrow Gauge cars.

This first comparison is of the enameled cars in the narrow gauge line.

You can certainly see the family resemblance. 

And as compared to a Wide Gauge passenger car

Lumber Cars

Box Cars  or Automobile Cars

Tank Cars

You would see the same similar design across the caboose and the sand car, but apparently I didn't take those photos.  Maybe I will assemble those cars and take some photos later in the weekend.

The side dump car was similar in the 9 1/2"  and 6 1/2" O gauge lines.

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Reminds me of how some of Bachmann's products are basically the same model in G, HO and sometimes On30.

Wolverine Crane

Nothing new for me this week,  I can't remember if I posted these of the Marklin 890 loco and cars I got a while back.

Certainly three of the bests Lionel steam locos, 224e 225e and 226e. just lubed them and they are ready to have a run tomorrow. Of course a die cast tender would look better with the 225e but they are not so easy to find.

Have a great tinplate weekend,   Daniel

Dennis Holler posted:

Nothing new for me this week,  I can't remember if I posted these of the Marklin 890 loco and cars I got a while back.

Hey Dennis,

I looked on eBay at some Marklin trains. They are way to rich for my blood right now! Is this the start of your Marklin retirement fund?

George

nah, the wife has always said she would have a yard sale and just mark every item at $5 each. I've bought some Marklin items in the past for as little as $5 on ebay. Total of $25 for the 5 items below. If I am not mistaken, the 18760 baggage car can be fairly salty.  Granted these things are incomplete, but that can be overcome and the are what got me started in Marklin 0.  You can find deals out there although I'd rather you didn't!!

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Certainly three of the bests Lionel steam locos, 224e 225e and 226e. just lubed them and they are ready to have a run tomorrow. Of course a die cast tender would look better with the 225e but they are not so easy to find.

Have a great tinplate weekend,   Daniel

Those look great and I love all three of those locos as well.  The plastic 2235W is correct for the later 225E's.  In the same way, the later 224E's also have a plastic tender (including the postwar one you have pictured). Roughly the transition was 1940-41 same as the change from high to low couplers, but there was some overlap evidently as I have seen too many exceptions.

Dennis Holler posted:

nah, the wife has always said she would have a yard sale and just mark every item at $5 each. I've bought some Marklin items in the past for as little as $5 on ebay. Total of $25 for the 5 items below. If I am not mistaken, the 18760 baggage car can be fairly salty.  Granted these things are incomplete, but that can be overcome and the are what got me started in Marklin 0.  You can find deals out there although I'd rather you didn't!!

 

Those are really cool. For $5 I would invest $25 more in some wheels and make some roofs.

I was looking at those coaches you bought recently. They look kind-of like the Darstead ones from our new sponsor. On eBay, the Marklin ones were going anywhere from $150 to $350 each. That may not break the bank, but I can buy a whole lot of American Flyer and Lionel for that!

George

Nice Marklin 40cm coaches can go for 6-700 from what I have seen.  Those are the really nice ones and with the optional interiors and lighting which mine did not have (but could be added).  I totally agree with your comments, but I have a bunch of Lionel and AF already.  This stuff is different and exciting.  There is so much variety out there, Marklin, Bing, KBN, Bassett Lowke, Hornby, JEP, LR, Merkur, and on and on and on.  I'm just adding some variety. 

I fail at this all the time, but remember the idea, you can buy 5 224E's or you can buy one 763E (maybe).  Which do you really want? but can you control the need to satisfy yourself immediately and start buying 224E's?  Or lets say you buy the first 224E because it is cheaper.  Then you pick up another and another because you liked the first, AND they are cheaper and easy to find.....  Next thing you know, you could have bought a 226E or a 763E!  It really does work that way!  But I fall for the 224E more often than not.  Think I have 8 of them...and no 763E

The other thing you end up with is a closet full of unfinished projects!

My post was add to the wrong weekend, here again.

The last time, I had repaired some.

A while age, I had buyed repro tarpaulins for Bing, but they are to big. Now I had washed them, together with my blue work trousers at 60 degrees and then in the dryer. After them they are faded and shrunken. At last for half a hour in tea for yellowing and now they look very similar like the original tarpaulins.

In the last days, I had cleaned and repaired a few of my train indicator. Most needed new wire handles.

For Germany, Sweden and Danmark

For Danmark and UK

3 for Germany with different towns

On Ebay I had found a Bing crane housing from the crane 13665 made around 1904. To this crane belongs a detachable crane arm, which unfortunately was missing, so I had made a new arm. For the lower arm, I have used two rails.

In the future, I will made a station like the early stations. This is a test for making a tinplate wall

In the right half part is steel wire glued

Pressed with 10 tons

Arne

Every once in a while you win a battle. I picked up two mixed lots recently with a bunch of junk in them but one lot had a Merchants Dispatch box car from the Marx 41000 table top electric set.

The other lot had a consist of Katsumi KTM freights in it. Besides the Ives flat car, the rest of the lot was unspectacular. Sturdy brass one-piece wheels and axles on these KTM cars, all intact.

They needed couplers pretty bad but I found a supplier in New Jersey who reproduces those funky "mini knuckle couplers" KTM uses. They attach easily with tiny screws.

Good grab Jim,  I was looking at that second lot for a month it seems like.  They kept relisting it and lowering the price a little.  I've had the KTM freights before and they are nice.  IT is good that the diecast spring plates are not fatigued and broken.  Nice cars.  That Marx table top is cool too.  How small are they?

Dennis Holler posted:

Good grab Jim,  I was looking at that second lot for a month it seems like.  They kept relisting it and lowering the price a little.  I've had the KTM freights before and they are nice.  IT is good that the diecast spring plates are not fatigued and broken.  Nice cars.  That Marx table top is cool too.  How small are they?

They are designed to fit into electrified channel track. A little larger than the Johann Hoefler trolleys.

These are not mine, I only have a set of the consist and a loco shell at this time. Thinking of finding an acceptable clockwork motor that I can use to pull them along a single channel track. Possibly a Technofix, Hoefler or Ranger unit.

this appears to be two sets put together or a double packaged set.

Walt Hiteshew is a Marx expert and says he had at one time an auto set that ran on the same tracks.

You fellows and your finds are amazing!

Outstanding stuff!  I got a new phone so pics are really popping.  I really like the sets - catalog vs actual.  Very cool.  Enjoy your weekend!

Dennis Holler posted:

Nice Marklin 40cm coaches can go for 6-700 from what I have seen.  Those are the really nice ones and with the optional interiors and lighting which mine did not have (but could be added).  I totally agree with your comments, but I have a bunch of Lionel and AF already.  This stuff is different and exciting.  There is so much variety out there, Marklin, Bing, KBN, Bassett Lowke, Hornby, JEP, LR, Merkur, and on and on and on.  I'm just adding some variety. 

I fail at this all the time, but remember the idea, you can buy 5 224E's or you can buy one 763E (maybe).  Which do you really want? but can you control the need to satisfy yourself immediately and start buying 224E's? 

I think you, and I, need to find someone to help us with our problem...maybe while we are laying on their couch.

I totally understand Marklin. I have been fighting the urge for a while. You are not helping!

George

Here is my recently acquired (and cleaned) American Flyer train. I bought the O gauge Greenberg book recently to help me understand what I wanted.

The tender has a Lionel box coupler, so I am not quite ready to run this. The caboose still needs a lamp and bulb. Also, I am still missing a tank car. I touched up the paint on the engine extensively. It still shows signs of the original wear, but I think it presents better.

For the tank car, I have this notion of mixing a modern, chromed Coors tank car into the mix. I need to check the proportions and am considering whether to remount it on an American Flyer frame with AF trucks. 

George

Dennis Holler posted:

nah, the wife has always said she would have a yard sale and just mark every item at $5 each.

Dennis make sure your Wife has my address...... at least they'd be sure to go to a good home!

" But I fall for the 224E more often than not.  Think I have 8 of them...and no 763E "

I have two...mine that I built from junk box parts, then picked up a 2224W at an antique shop..

and Uncle Jim's

Well, there is always Marklin ho... but then that is where I started with Marklin and well, I ended up here anyway...  I wonder if they  will have prewar Marklin catalogs to look at while laying on the couch???

took the 810 for a run to check for clearances. Made it under the 450 signal bridge ok.....but found one small problem...

the offending 153 has since been relocated. And a gentle run by the freight on main #1.....

The Hudson looks great George!  Nice find, those seem to be in demand and consequently find higher prices.  You've definitely got the bug for sure!

Dave, I'll tell her you'll give her $6 each  and she won't even have to set up the yard sale!  

Actually, I think if you would take the cars (Mustang and Falcon), she would probably give you the trains

Steamer posted:

took the 810 for a run to check for clearances. Made it under the 450 signal bridge ok.....but found one small problem...

 

the offending 153 has since been relocated. And a gentle run by the freight on main #1.....

 

 

 

 

I bet that monster really swings on your 027 curves.  That 153 never had a chance!  It's probably a good thing you don't have a trestle bridge on that tack!!  If you didn't have the 153 wired up, looks like it would have disappeared lol

finally got this af whistling billboard painted and back together,i love these,i used rust-oleum 2x ultra cover,paint+primer,really great finish ,its a whistling monster now,i left the date that it must have been serviced

well as much as I appreciate the kind offer Dennis....I have no more room for garage expansion....plus I've been Ford free since 1984 when I sent the biggest POS I ever owned down the road...the 1974 Starsky & Hutch clone I had to have down the road. In all fairness....if I hadn't been enamored with a certain blonde and given the car it's due, I might still have it.

Dave, You were THE man driving that bad *** Torino back then..  Only thing better would have been an Orange 69 Charger

terry hudon posted:

finally got this af whistling billboard painted and back together,i love these,i used rust-oleum 2x ultra cover,paint+primer,really great finish ,its a whistling monster now,i left the date that it must have been serviced

Nice job Terry!  Love to see these things all cleaned up and shiney.

well actually I did have one....it was a backyard slap it together job I traded another car for.....not a nice looking example. I was inside the car one day doing something...and when I looked up I think every kid in the neighborhood was standing around the car thinking it was the real one. I quickly painted over the backyard paint job. I did have a really nice '68 Charger R/T 440 4 speed, black with the red R/T stripe...had that one for 18 years. Took it to my first train show.

Dennis Holler posted:

nah, the wife has always said she would have a yard sale and just mark every item at $5 each. I've bought some Marklin items in the past for as little as $5 on ebay. Total of $25 for the 5 items below. If I am not mistaken, the 18760 baggage car can be fairly salty.  Granted these things are incomplete, but that can be overcome and the are what got me started in Marklin 0.  You can find deals out there although I'd rather you didn't!!

 

Sorry. The roof of my Marklin RV 12890 electric loco is not for sale. It's been in the family for 80 years since my father bought it from a school friend in 1938 to supplement his Lionel.

Yours could be worth in the $500 - $800 range if complete and in good condition.

Here are some beautiful bridges from the 1930 Marklin catalogue. I really like the 2514 Eisenbahn bridge at the bottom of the page. I tried to find if there was a prototype without success. There probably was one. This bridge was not in the 1931 or 1932 catalogues, so it looks like 1930 was the last year.

Continuing the Darstaed theme.

Darstaed A4 Mallard “fully loaded” ERR Cruise Commander, Lionel fan smoke, Guns Super Chuffer, Railsounds small steamer (nearest to British Whistle).

Matching Darstaed Thompson coaches.

Have a great weekend

Nick

Arne posted:

 

In the future, I will made a station like the early stations. This is a test for making a tinplate wall

In the right half part is steel wire glued

Pressed with 10 tons

 

Arne

 

Hey Arne,

 Can you explain a little more what material you are using and what tools you are using to get your tinplate wall. Nice look that you ended up with. 

Tom 

O Gauge Guy posted:

Here are some beautiful bridges from the 1930 Marklin catalogue. I really like the 2514 Eisenbahn bridge at the bottom of the page. I tried to find if there was a prototype without success. There probably was one. This bridge was not in the 1931 or 1932 catalogues, so it looks like 1930 was the last year.

Sold in pieces in Oct. for 515 EUR. 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LHA-...p2047675.c100623.m-1

Says it needs restoration. I'm not sure if that means putting it back together, but it looks good visually.

George

MNCW posted:

Arne posted:

 

Pressed with 10 tons

 

Arne

 

Hey Arne,

 Can you explain a little more what material you are using and what tools you are using to get your tinplate wall. Nice look that you ended up with. 

Tom 

Hello Tom,

at the moment it's just tests. Everything has to be improved.

The tool is made of aluminium, made by hand with a small milling maschine.

After them, I had cutted the tool in 2 parts. In one part was glued a steal wire.

The tinplate for the wall is from old big solvent canister and 0,35 mm thick.

For embossing, I take a simple hydraulic press.

Greetings

Arne

O Gauge Guy posted:

Dennis Holler posted:

nah, the wife has always said she would have a yard sale and just mark every item at $5 each. I've bought some Marklin items in the past for as little as $5 on ebay. Total of $25 for the 5 items below. If I am not mistaken, the 18760 baggage car can be fairly salty.  Granted these things are incomplete, but that can be overcome and the are what got me started in Marklin 0.  You can find deals out there although I'd rather you didn't!!

 

Sorry. The roof of my Marklin RV 12890 electric loco is not for sale. It's been in the family for 80 years since my father bought it from a school friend in 1938 to supplement his Lionel.

Yours could be worth in the $500 - $800 range if complete and in good condition.

Beautiful looking RV 12890 you have there!.

Yes, I see them get pretty salty.  I could not afford the high priced ones and so make due with parts, pieces and junk.  I am always on the look out for parts.  In this case the motor and motor mount bracket.  Might make one in the mean time so I can use the loco.  Ritter makes the roof and pantograph though.