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According to Wikipedia, only two prototypes were built, one for the New York Central and one for the Union Pacific. Here's a picture of the UP version, a bit less stylish than the NYC one. The auto racks built by Evans to fit inside boxcars were also called Auto Loaders. 
 
It's a pain trying to Google the Auto Loader because there are very few articles on it and they are overwhelmed by the references to the Lionel version.
 
 Evans UP Auto Loader
 
Originally Posted by Charlie:

I agree with Rusty and Southwest on this as well:

 

Here's another one that would sell: the Evans Auto Loader from the early 1950's. The manufacturer would also have to come up with some 1/48 autos to put on it, since 1/43 cars won't fit.

 

Lionel already has a suburb flat car as a starting point. All this is needed is the super-

Structure and or course the correct autos.

 

In my brief research, it seems that this might have been a one-off prototype, maybe someone can confirm or correct me. Still, I think this is very visual-centric car that would be welcome on many layouts.

 

Charlie

 

 

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I would definitely buy a tinplate PE, a Tropicana reefer, a scale, modern diesel switcher and a highly detailed Atlantic (I have one Atlantic from Lionel).

 

But what about the commuter trains that run everyday in our communities?

 

I would be a sucker for a scale set of SEPTA silver liners (literally, my backyard growing up) or a set of the light rail cars that run throughout the Denver metro area (just outside my office window as I write).  I am personally too young to wax nostalgic over yet another covered wagon (no offense intended).

 

Tooling costs are probably prohibitive, but then again, this thread assumes new tooling.

 

I'd like to think there are a lot of people like me that yearn for replicas of the very trains they take to work today.

 

 

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Here's another one that would sell: the Evans Auto Loader from the early 1950's. The manufacturer would also have to come up with some 1/48 autos to put on it, since 1/43 cars won't fit. I'm convinced an Auto Loader would sell - train guys like cars too, and it would be a great addition to any transition-era freight train.

 

 EvansAutoLoader

K-Line made one.

klineal

Rusty

 

Yes they did, and I have one. That is a semi-scale car; it's about the right length but a bit narrow. I had an awful time finding cars other than Volkswagens, Corvettes, and '55 T-Birds to put on it. Top-down convertibles look pretty silly on a Auto Loader; you don't rail ship a new car with the top down. 1/43 cars are too big to fit six full-size sedans on the K-Line Auto Loader. I even tried 1/64 cars but they were too small to fit in the wheel tracks. I finally settled on half a dozen 1/43 Eligor '62 Corvair coupes. Cost me a bunch, buying them one at a time off eBay. I'd still like to see a scale Auto Loader with full-size, scale sedans of the correct period. And I think it would sell. I'd buy two or three if they came with different cars.

Being a Corvair owner, I'd like to see that load.

 

Unlike you, Evans didn't seem to have a bias towards any one manufacturer.  Hudson, Dodge, Packard, Chevrolet, Kaiser and Mercury, all represented in the pic.

 

Prototype or not, I'd enjoy having more than one of those in scale on my layout.

 

Bruce

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All the new light rail lines popping up in cities around the country.  These are the only trains some kids are going to relate today as the country increasingly becomes more urbanized.

 

And monorails, gondola/cable cars.  Many people in this hobby are only active around Christmas time and are looking for fun things to make their Christmas layouts even more animated.  Lionel has done a great job so far with things like the Candy Cane commuter train and some of the trolleys, but so many people who put up a Christmas village are looking for gondola systems.  And they could model it on a real system that people identify with that exists so even the more serious modellers would want to use it on their layout.

 

Also, if it hasn't been done before, a cog railway system like the one going up to Pike's Peak.

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I don't want anybody to take this wrong but I would love to have an O-scale version of Hitlers WWII armored train engine/tender and consist of armored cars.  I saw a glimpse of it in the American Heroes Channel.  No, I am not a Nazi.  I just dig cool trains and that Armored train was a really interesting piece of equipment.  I don't collect European trains but would like to own this one European train, if MTH would make it in PS3.  

 

P.S., I do collect and operate O-scale military trains of WWII and modern vintage and have a couple of different US Army consists.

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Originally Posted by Swafford:

"Smart" 21st Century Diesel Maintenance Facility
Building!

Technology and Innovations have always caught my eye. That
said, I would suggest that Lionel produce a "Smart" 21st Century Diesel
Maintenance Facility Building.

 

I would definitely be interested in something like this.  But, I have 2 concerns:

 

1. How big would it have to be?

2. How much would it cost? Never maintain cash savings again

As I look at all these suggestions, it's obvious how everyone enjoys the hobby and what they'd like to have on their model railroad.

 

But who is to say that some of the suggestions would not sell?  It may not be true for some items "that everyone would buy one".  But just because someone doesn't like a suggestion doesn't mean "that no one will buy it" because "it does not appeal to me".

 

We'd probably have a better chance of getting items we like in the future, not only discussing it here but by contacting your favorite or all manufacturers of your preferences. If they notice  enough requests for an item they make want to make them.

Originally Posted by brwebster:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Here's another one that would sell: the Evans Auto Loader from the early 1950's. The manufacturer would also have to come up with some 1/48 autos to put on it, since 1/43 cars won't fit. I'm convinced an Auto Loader would sell - train guys like cars too, and it would be a great addition to any transition-era freight train.

 

 EvansAutoLoader

K-Line made one.

klineal

Rusty

 

Yes they did, and I have one. That is a semi-scale car; it's about the right length but a bit narrow. I had an awful time finding cars other than Volkswagens, Corvettes, and '55 T-Birds to put on it. Top-down convertibles look pretty silly on a Auto Loader; you don't rail ship a new car with the top down. 1/43 cars are too big to fit six full-size sedans on the K-Line Auto Loader. I even tried 1/64 cars but they were too small to fit in the wheel tracks. I finally settled on half a dozen 1/43 Eligor '62 Corvair coupes. Cost me a bunch, buying them one at a time off eBay. I'd still like to see a scale Auto Loader with full-size, scale sedans of the correct period. And I think it would sell. I'd buy two or three if they came with different cars.

Being a Corvair owner, I'd like to see that load.

 

Unlike you, Evans didn't seem to have a bias towards any one manufacturer.  Hudson, Dodge, Packard, Chevrolet, Kaiser and Mercury, all represented in the pic.

 

Prototype or not, I'd enjoy having more than one of those in scale on my layout.

 

Bruce

As a Corvair owner I applaud the choice of a Corvair-only auto carrier load

 

Jeff C

 

A lot of great, cheap, simple technology has yet to reach the O scale world. How about: 

 

- A universal Bluetooth wireless system with two components: A thing you connect to the track and a thing you hold in your hand. The Liontech remotes/MTH Remote Commanders are the right idea, but how about one for conventional operators that works with any transformer and any engine?

 

- Wireless remote cranes and loaders. These already exist in not-quite-the-right-sizes. I think treating the train as part of an RC stuff-handling system would really attract attention from new potential customers. Play value is still the name of the game IMO.

 

- Undecorated USRA steamers - cheap ones - with free software for printing your own lettering, logos and numbers.

 

My $.02,

Alan P

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

I think there is more of a big market for detailed, feature-laden scale models of smaller steam locos.  Maybe its just me, but the Legacy Atlantics and 0-8-0s and Premier 2-8-0s and 4-4-0s are some of my favorites - just fantastic locos.  done right, they are little jewels of models and they will fit and run on a lot of layouts where the big boys, so too speak, never will: there is a big market.  In particularly, there were a lot of interesting locos in that size range made in the three decades around the turn of the 19th-20th century, leading up to WW1.  A manufacturer would probably have to put them out on the market and let word-of-mouth gradually spread about how appealing they were, but I think once that happened they would sell well and consistently for a long time. 

 

Then again, I would love to see a Soviet AA20-1 4-14-4 steamer - you can never have to many drivers -- but then that probably is just me . . . 

While I love my Big Boy and other BIG locos.....I find it harder to find nice smaller steam. I did just get a Lionel 2-8-0 that I will rework soon....but smaller steam would be good.

Correct. That is a Milwaukee N-class, which was used in the mountains between the two electrified segments. The only 0 gauge locomotive I know of with a Coffin heater is the Lionel (previously K-Line) model of the B&M/ATSF/SP Lima Berkshire.
 
Originally Posted by colorado hirailer:

Who ran a 2-6-6-2 with a Coffin feedwater heater...Milwaukee?  I would buy a Denver and Salt Lake Midado with a Coffin feedwater heater, but probably nobody else would. Reading back through this I see why none of what we want gets made....everybody wants something different.

 

Originally Posted by ES44AC:

I bet this would sell. Would love to see it made by MTH.

Although very striking styling, I don't see ANY manufacturer offering THAT, since it is a "home built" locomotive model exclusive to Norfolk Southern. The model isn't an SD50/60, nor is it an SD70M, nor an SD70ACe, so I wouldn't expect anybody to make a model of it since it could not be used for any other railroad.

Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by ES44AC:

I bet this would sell. Would love to see it made by MTH.

Although very striking styling, I don't see ANY manufacturer offering THAT, since it is a "home built" locomotive model exclusive to Norfolk Southern. The model isn't an SD50/60, nor is it an SD70M, nor an SD70ACe, so I wouldn't expect anybody to make a model of it since it could not be used for any other railroad.

Not being the correct locomotive has never stopped Lionel or MTH from doing a paint scheme.

 

Although a great paint scheme I really don't like that home made locomotive so if somebody makes it and I prefer lionel do it on the ES44ac or the SD70ace.

Originally Posted by jhz563:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Here's one that would NOT sell well in this country, but might just do well on the other side of the Atlantic. MTH has been doing pretty well with its Euro line, so maybe they might even consider building it. I'd buy one for sure.

 

 

EAGarratt1

I'd take one of these!

If they make one of these, it better operate on O36 track or smaller

This topic looks to be turning into another wish list.  While many of the engines recommended above are really nice, I do not think the fan base for these models is big enough for one of the manufacturers to invest in new tooling.

 

In my earlier post I stated my thought that any new engine tooling made in this economy would have to be usable for a lot of different roads (fantasy ones too) before anyone would make it.  I thought I would explore this subject a little more for an engine that I would buy.

 

As a PRR fan, I know the unique Pennsy steamers do not meet the criteria.  Besides, most Pennsy steamers for my era have already been made in O gauge

 

Most diesels from the 40's purchased by the Pennsy have also been made in O gauge, but there are a few that haven't.  Some like the Baldwin DRS 4-4-10 were too few in number and used by too few roads to be considered here, but I think there is a good case for a couple of diesels not yet made in O that were used not only by the Pennsy but many other roads.

 

One is the Baldwin DS 4-4-10. The successor to the VO1000, 502 (in two slightly different models) were made and they went to 48 different roads.  Seems to me it would be an easy decision to produce these.

 

Another engine was the FM H20-44.  96 were made and they went to 6 roads.  While not a slam dunk like the Baldwin, three of the six roads that bought these engines have large following in O:  PRR, NYC, and UP.  This engine might be worth the investment.

 

Other than that, I'm pretty happy with what is available for my preferred road.  Being a Pennsy fan has its advantages

 

 

Not being the correct locomotive has never stopped Lionel or MTH from doing a paint scheme.

 

 

 

It should though.  

 

Oh No IT SHOULDN'T!  

 

At least not if you are a scale modeler who ever wants to see correct scale models get made.

 

As a real life case in point consider the MTH Z-6 Challenger.  This was an NP design.  The SP&S was 50% owned by the NP and added on to the NPs second order from ALCO.  Two of the SP&S engines were used by the GN on the Oregon Trunk before being returned to the SP&S.  No evidence exists that the GN engines ever received the light olive green boiler jackets of the Glacier Park paint scheme yet MTH offered the Z-6 in a green GN version.

 

 

MTH also offered three prototypical numbers and paint schemes.

 

 

Guess which one sold the best?  The GN in green!  In fact, were it not for the strong orders for the green GN version the product would have been canceled and the tooling and historically correct locomotives would never have been produced. 

 

The Lionel PS-1 40 foot boxcar model is the best of its type in O Scale.  Many of the paint schemes are not correct for a PS-1 but without them Lionel would not offer as many correct cars or have invested so much into making the tooling for a highly detailed model with durable components.  Atlas is similar.  All of their Master line models are great but some wear paint schemes that belong on other cars.

 

I'm all for prototypically correct modeling.  But those of us who are into it would be back to building folk art looking models from wooden kits for most of our cars without a broader market to support higher volume and higher quality manufacturing. 

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