what is the right caboose for the Lionel Legacy Santa Fe Berkshire?
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Along these lines would be correct.......offset cupola......
My preference is for the steel caboose. MTH had three in Mineral Brown which is close to the color (although the "Axy Dent" decoration may be off but looks nice on a steam-headed freight). Catalog number is 20-91031. It appeared in 2000 v3. (Pictures from MTH site) The actual color was darker than the catalog photo.
It appeared again in 2005 in the Premier Line as 20-91194. I liked this one better but wasn't able to grab one (forgot to pre-order.)
It moved into the "Scale" King line in 2010 as 30-77183.
K-line did a very nice woodside caboose, but the color and decoration didn't thrill me -- red was overly bright and the ATSF logo was white instead of yellow.
I can't remember when Santa Fe switched from mineral brown to red on their waycars (I'm sure Marker or Number 90 will chime in on this.)
Division Point has announced some new ATSF caboose models which will be pricey but they're hand-made brass. I've been thinking about getting one.
Atlas did an accurate Santa Fe bay window caboose in their Trainman line. Santa Fe got three of them in the TP&W acquisition but I have no clue of the dates of use.
It moved into the "Scale" King line in 2010 as 30-77183.
K-line did a very nice woodside caboose, but the color and decoration didn't thrill me -- red was overly bright and the ATSF logo was white instead of yellow.
I can't remember when Santa Fe switched from mineral brown to red on their waycars (I'm sure Marker or Number 90 will chime in on this.)
Division Point has announced some new ATSF caboose models which will be pricey but they're hand-made brass. I've been thinking about getting one.
Atlas did an accurate Santa Fe bay window caboose in their Trainman line. Santa Fe got three of them in the TP&W acquisition but I have no clue of the dates of use.
The MTH waycars are the closest to the Santa Fe prototype. Replace the funky trucks with Bettendorfs and remove the reflective cross in circles and you're there for the steam era.
The ex-TP&W bay windows were aquired WAY after the steam era ended on the Santa Fe.
Rusty
Along these lines would be correct.......offset cupola......
Yeah, I have one of these to go with mine. That, a bunch of map/slogan cars, and its a fantastic train.
Rusty
Thanks. I couldn't remember for the life of me when ATSF got them.
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I understand the sidedoor caboose that is (was?) next to the station in Rhyolite ghost town in Death Valley National Park is a Santa Fe? Hallmark imported a brass sidedoor....I don't know if that version, as well as two others, I think, a drover's caboose and a combine caboose, in O scale but convertible to three rail, is the one that was at Rhyolite. I don't know if any "different" ATSF cabooses were offered, but one of those three I hope to have room to park at my Joint Line connection, to emphasize the Santa Fe presence.
I understand the sidedoor caboose that is (was?) next to the station in Rhyolite ghost town in Death Valley National Park is a Santa Fe? Hallmark imported a brass sidedoor....I don't know if that version, as well as two others, I think, a drover's caboose and a combine caboose, in O scale but convertible to three rail, is the one that was at Rhyolite. I don't know if any "different" ATSF cabooses were offered, but one of those three I hope to have room to park at my Joint Line connection, to emphasize the Santa Fe presence.
There were a few ATSF "oddballs" out there. The aforementioned three bay windows acquired in the TP&W acquisition, then the side door cabooses (don't know where they came from or how many they had), and the Drover cars. Two of the surviving drover cars are here in Southern California -- one at Mojave and the other at the Orange Empire Railway Museum. Didn't know about the side door at Rhyolite/Death Valley.
Saw a photo of an ATSF way car that at first blush looked like a bay window, but was an extended vision caboose that had the cupola removed (accident?).
I've found that one of the fun aspects of this hobby is researching and finding the oddballs.
The Santa Fe began its waycar modernization program (following the agreement with the trainmen that waycars would no longer be assigned to a particular crew) in 1966 with the first indian red cars in October of 1966. There were a number of steel cars with no cupola or bay windows that were used in transfer service. They were in the Ce 4 class and painted indian red with large heralds.
Allan
Although I have the 20-91031 'Axy-dent' waycar trailing my K-Line Berk + train currently, this one is waiting on the ready track for the next trip...
Built from a Quality Craft (nee-Ambroid) kit. Gus, on the rear platform is one of the luckiest inhabitants of the layout, IMHO.
So much fun, so little time.
KD
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hello Popsrr.........
I Like the blue Santa Fe one
the woman who loves the S.F.5011,623
Tiffany
"Flash" has posted some of the cabooses I was thinking about.....I kitbashed an old
Bob Peare "Traincraft" caboose kit into that first version, which if you look close, you
will see has two back to back benches permanently mounted to the top to give brakemen a breeze as they moved around SoCal (doubt if they had seatbelts). Another "Traincraft" caboose kit builds a sidedoor, but not, I don't think, an ATSF prototype, but might be subject to kitbash. Bobbye Hall's "Hallmark" offered a brass version of that long "drover's caboose" pictured and of another similar car, that was all windows, no cupola, and called a "drover's caboose". Hallmark offered a T&P sidedoor, but somebody else offered an ATSF version....these show up on the net and in estate sales, once inexpensively.
I have an unbuilt Ambroid ATSF wood waycar kit if anybody is interested.
Bert
hello Popsrr.........
I Like the blue Santa Fe one
the woman who loves the S.F.5011,623
Tiffany
Tiffany
Thank you. I like it also with the F-3 Blur and yellow