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When my father was young, working at his family's store, a person came in a noticed my dad's LGB trains.  He asked about his interest in trains and later gave my dad a bunch of Model Railroader Magazines from his father including all of the 1938-41, 46-48, some of the later 80's magazines and even a book with the 9th issue in 1934 (first year) and some from 1935.  I don't know the value of the early 34 and 35 books, but I did find the value of all the others.  As I understand, there was only about 1000-2000 of the 34 issue printed. 

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The book it's self is in also excellent condition, so I wanted to know if it would one of the first things I would take with me in the case of a wildfire.  The last wildfire we had come though Ramona, Cal came to my house on my 9th birthday.   Thankfully it didn't burn down our house but I don't want to leave my stuff behind again. 

 

I do see the historical value, and in one of the 35 magazines, it showed the Great Northern (I think) Logo with a for a Swastika sign of good luck, of course before Hitler used it.

Madison,

I would recommend that the magazines be left behind in case of a fire. Concerning the issue of value, I am not an expert, but I would guess that an issue is not valuable because of it's age alone, but because of the particular articles contained in the magazine. An issue with an article on a famous well known railroad modelist will command some interest. Otherwise, what you have are just really old magazines.

Part of the problem is that there have been so many improvements in techniques these days, articles back then have little value to the modern railroader today.

Might be kinda fun to go thru those old issues.

Put some feelers out, you never know, might be someone out there looking for something. Perhaps try listing some on ebay.

Good luck

I believe I am complete in hard copy back to around 1952, when my dad started buying it. I still have them, but I have almost convinced myself to recycle them. 

 

The old paper drives my allergies nuts when I look at them.

 

I also have the entire electronic set of them which Kalmbach sells, along with "Trains". 

 

Regards,

GNNPNUT

 

 

The complete 1st year or 5 of MR bound in book form used to sell for decent money years ago.  Almost any issue after that becomes something that you have difficulty in even giving away.  Having cleared out several estates now, we just put them all in a box with a sign "Free" and hope that they go away.  Almost everythnig printed in the past 50 years has no more intrinsic value that recyclable paper, but the informational value can be very real.

 

There are some magazines however that do hold some value - Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette tends to be one at the top of the list.  I've routinely sold year sets of these for $20 and up depending on age and condition. 

 

I've been looking for some RMC issues from the early 50's (RMC is not available electronically and it appears may never be....), the handful the Traction & Models that I am missing, and the several handfuls of Trolley Talk that not in my library. Problem is that some folks seem to think that these were printed on sheets of gold.  Eventually reality arrives.

I have old ones with articles on things I'd like to build...there are a LOT more articles

on structures and steam in the old ones....most of the recent MR/RMC issues are just not very interesting to me, and I should pitch.  I found an HO kit existed for a creosote plant in one from out of the past, and now have an O scale scratchbuilt model of such a plant, after a lot of research and help from several people on this site. Thanks!!  Someone sells a lot of back issues of many of them and I got in a couple of their lists and ordered a few mags from it, but you almost have to flip through them and hope for something of interest.

Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:

The book it's self is in also excellent condition, so I wanted to know if it would one of the first things I would take with me in the case of a wildfire.  The last wildfire we had come through Ramona, Cal came to my house on my 9th birthday.   Thankfully it didn't burn down our house but I don't want to leave my stuff behind again...

I was stunned to read that, Madison. I don't think I have ever known anybody who had gone through something like that. Would you tell us more about that experience, if it is not uncomfortabe for you to do so?

FrankM.

I don't mind.  I had been selling cub scout popcorn around the neighborhood when I heard on one guy's radio a report about high winds and the possibility of a wildfire.  I had never been in one, nor at the time knew any how had, so me being me, thought nothing of it.  The day before, we had heard of the fire, but most everyone thought nothing of it.  The next day, I had my 9th birthday, so my grandma, aunt and her husband came down from a town about an hour away.  Later that next Day, around 6:30 as I remember we got(and the entire town of 50,000 residents) got the reverse 911 call from the police saying every has to leave.  Ramona has only three major highways out of town, one heading straight for the fire, and the other out.  The other problem was each highway at its best had only two lanes, but for most of the time, only one lane. 
 
After that call, we knew we had to get out quick, and after 30 minutes, 15 of which in the dark after San Diego Gas and Electric turned of the power, we had most everything needed to live in the car, the only valuable items were from my dad's lantern collection.  Just as we had the car packed, with our dog and family minis my dad, we saw the fire creep over the mountain on the other side of our valley, we knew right then and there we had to leave.  My dad stayed behind with a friend/neighbor and his son, and saved about 4-7 houses and buildings. 
 
We left not know if my dad was safe, and if our house was still there, so after the first night, which still to my amazement, I slept though.  I found out that my dad was fine and most of the houses in our neighborhood were fine.  About 3 or 4 burned out of 15 homes in the neighbor hood, and that is mainly because of the houses that my dad helped save.  Had he not stayed behind, our house plus others about 4 or five more would have burned.  We stayed out of town, because the cops claimed it to be to dangerous, but my dad was able to leave the house and come back because he printed out a sign saying "D-33" and he claimed to work for a friend in town who had a water truck and so he was able to get back into town. 
 
And one last tidbit, right after we left we, my dad went down to the main road we live off of and asked the firemen if they would come help stop the fire, he said we have a fire hydrant and a huge turn around in the yard, big enough for a fire truck for sure.  But guess there reply (as they sat on there butts, watching the fire), "You have to ask the chief and then we have to wait for his permission."
 
Originally Posted by Moonson:
Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:

The book it's self is in also excellent condition, so I wanted to know if it would one of the first things I would take with me in the case of a wildfire.  The last wildfire we had come through Ramona, Cal came to my house on my 9th birthday.   Thankfully it didn't burn down our house but I don't want to leave my stuff behind again...

I was stunned to read that, Madison. I don't think I have ever known anybody who had gone through something like that. Would you tell us more about that experience, if it is not uncomfortabe for you to do so?

FrankM.

 

After that, about 40 trees were burned, but later put out.  A retaining wall that was made of telephone pole burned better then solid rocket fuel.  A neighbors garage had cans of ammo in it and when it burned it sounded like fireworks.  And a local historian lost all of his papers and historical items which was pretty sad.  A lot of people lost a lot of property, but if I talked about it all, it would be monotonous. 
Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:
I don't mind.  I had been selling cub scout popcorn around the neighborhood when I heard on one guy's radio a report about high winds and the possibility of a wildfire.  I had never been in one, nor at the time knew any how had, so me being me, thought nothing of it.  The day before, we had heard of the fire, but most everyone thought nothing of it.  The next day, I had my 9th birthday, so my grandma, aunt and her husband came down from a town about an hour away.  Later that next Day, around 6:30 as I remember we got(and the entire town of 50,000 residents) got the reverse 911 call from the police saying every has to leave.  Ramona has only three major highways out of town, one heading straight for the fire, and the other out.  The other problem was each highway at its best had only two lanes, but for most of the time, only one lane. 
 
After that call, we knew we had to get out quick, and after 30 minutes, 15 of which in the dark after San Diego Gas and Electric turned of the power, we had most everything needed to live in the car, the only valuable items were from my dad's lantern collection.  Just as we had the car packed, with our dog and family minis my dad, we saw the fire creep over the mountain on the other side of our valley, we knew right then and there we had to leave.  My dad stayed behind with a friend/neighbor and his son, and saved about 4-7 houses and buildings. 
 
We left not know if my dad was safe, and if our house was still there, so after the first night, which still to my amazement, I slept though.  I found out that my dad was fine and most of the houses in our neighborhood were fine.  About 3 or 4 burned out of 15 homes in the neighbor hood, and that is mainly because of the houses that my dad helped save.  Had he not stayed behind, our house plus others about 4 or five more would have burned.  We stayed out of town, because the cops claimed it to be to dangerous, but my dad was able to leave the house and come back because he printed out a sign saying "D-33" and he claimed to work for a friend in town who had a water truck and so he was able to get back into town. 
 
And one last tidbit, right after we left we, my dad went down to the main road we live off of and asked the firemen if they would come help stop the fire, he said we have a fire hydrant and a huge turn around in the yard, big enough for a fire truck for sure.  But guess there reply (as they sat on there butts, watching the fire), "You have to ask the chief and then we have to wait for his permission."
 
Originally Posted by Moonson:
Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:

The book it's self is in also excellent condition, so I wanted to know if it would one of the first things I would take with me in the case of a wildfire.  The last wildfire we had come through Ramona, Cal came to my house on my 9th birthday.   Thankfully it didn't burn down our house but I don't want to leave my stuff behind again...

I was stunned to read that, Madison. I don't think I have ever known anybody who had gone through something like that. Would you tell us more about that experience, if it is not uncomfortabe for you to do so?

FrankM.

 

 

Wow, Madison I am glad your ok that is quite the story.

 

Material things as you know can be replaced. Your best bet as you said might be to scan the articles or magazines you like digitally and keep that hardware in a firebox or on the "CLOUD" or in a portable hard drive. Keeping your "important to you" documents  in a couple different places, "redundancy" does work.

If it's the fire I'm thinking of, you must be talking about the infamous Cedar fire of 2003.  One of the largest wildfires in California history.

 

Started by a hunter who got lost and thought he'd start a small fire to alert rescuers.   Well, being that it was still dry season at the time with strong Santa Ana winds, after 280,000 acres & 2,800 buildings burned along with 15 people killed, I'd say he got attention all right.   

 

I lived in La Mesa at the time, and it was snowing ashes everywhere.

Very close, but no, the fire was the 2007 Witch Creek Fire.  The Cedar fire was less than 2 miles from me, but never came to my side of highway 67 which composes all of Main Street in town.  Also, I was only 5 in 2003 so I don't remember that happening.
 
Originally Posted by John Korling:

If it's the fire I'm thinking of, you must be talking about the infamous Cedar fire of 2003.  One of the largest wildfires in California history.

 

Started by a hunter who got lost and thought he'd start a small fire to alert rescuers.   Well, being that it was still dry season at the time with strong Santa Ana winds, after 280,000 acres & 2,800 buildings burned along with 15 people killed, I'd say he got attention all right. 

 

Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:
Very close, but no, the fire was the 2007 Witch Creek Fire.  The Cedar fire was less than 2 miles from me, but never came to my side of highway 67 which composes all of Main Street in town.  Also, I was only 5 in 2003 so I don't remember that happening.
 

Ahh, that would have been my second guess.  I remember that one as well, and that year was another bad one for wildfires.  That one was attributed to SDG&E's power lines sparking some dry brush, along with some of the other fires that went on around that same time.

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You know what I just though of?  Create a Gmail account and save the images in an email and save that to drafts.  Then whether or not you're house burns, the file is still accessible anywhere there is internet.  
 
Originally Posted by Seacoast:

Wow, Madison I am glad your ok that is quite the story.

 

Material things as you know can be replaced. Your best bet as you said might be to scan the articles or magazines you like digitally and keep that hardware in a firebox or on the "CLOUD" or in a portable hard drive. Keeping your "important to you" documents  in a couple different places, "redundancy" does work.

 

Madison, When you wrote, "...if I talked about it all, it would be monotonous," you were very far from being that. I was mesmerized by what you said and began picturing in my imagination what it all may have looked like. Yet, only you know how it felt, and smelled, and looked, and sounded, at the very least. I urge you to write it all down, not all here, perhaps, but in a good sturdy journal (and yes, with backup) because it is already an important story since it is told from your perspective and age.

 

And if my fellow forumites, here, will indulge me further, let me urge you to continue telling us more, if I may suggest it. I am sure I am not the ony one interested in what you have to say about those days.

 

Take it from a high school English teacher (retired,) you have much to tell, and it is very far from "monotonous," for sure.

FrankM.

Well, That was most of the story, The house just east of us burned so much, the only thing left was the chimney, and even that was scorched.  My friends Grandmothers house had roses all around and every single one burned but the flames never touched her house.  The eye doctor, who had the house on the hill where the flames came through, burned her house and now every year, on the fires anniversary to Christmas, she puts up this star...

 
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