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I have had to remove my insulating piece, that was held in place by clear nail polish. I have found the nail polish is conductive, at least enough to pass a small amount of current, and thus make the insulating cut in the track not work properly.

Now I just leave the gap in the track. It does not appear to be a problem. I file the edges to be sure they are not sharp to the touch, which should help preserve the rubber traction tires on the engines.

@Danr posted:

The original material Lionel used is Fish Paper.  They used it in a number of accessories and transformers, as well as the track insulators.  You can get a sheet of it for about $5 on Amazon.  You can cut it with a razor knife or scissors.   You should be able to make a lot of insulators from one sheet.

I have seen a few mentions of this and now am curious. What is its original use? If it is what Lionel used, it seems a bit thick for wrapping fish.

A quick search reveals it is commonly used as an insulator. But how did it get its name?

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fishpaper An insulating paper, often fiber- or oilcloth-like, used in the construction of transformers and coils. [Historical Note: Alvin G. Sydor writes: "In 1729 Stephen Gray made the discovery of the conducting and non-conducting power of different substances. Gray found that by using woven silk served as an excellent insulator. Some years later it was found that the paper industry could provide what was equivalent to woven silk. Later it was discovered that if the paper was saturated with fish oil its ability as an insulator was much improved particularly when used in harsh environments and high voltages.

fishpaper An insulating paper, often fiber- or oilcloth-like, used in the construction of transformers and coils. [Historical Note: Alvin G. Sydor writes: "In 1729 Stephen Gray made the discovery of the conducting and non-conducting power of different substances. Gray found that by using woven silk served as an excellent insulator. Some years later it was found that the paper industry could provide what was equivalent to woven silk. Later it was discovered that if the paper was saturated with fish oil its ability as an insulator was much improved particularly when used in harsh environments and high voltages.

It had to be fun to work with back then; on the trolley going home people wouldn’t know if you were a fish monger or an electrician.

fishpaper An insulating paper, often fiber- or oilcloth-like, used in the construction of transformers and coils. [Historical Note: Alvin G. Sydor writes: "In 1729 Stephen Gray made the discovery of the conducting and non-conducting power of different substances. Gray found that by using woven silk served as an excellent insulator. Some years later it was found that the paper industry could provide what was equivalent to woven silk. Later it was discovered that if the paper was saturated with fish oil its ability as an insulator was much improved particularly when used in harsh environments and high voltages.

Thanks for the entertaining history! I assume they don't actually use fish oil for it any more?

fishpaper An insulating paper, often fiber- or oilcloth-like, used in the construction of transformers and coils. [Historical Note: Alvin G. Sydor writes: "In 1729 Stephen Gray made the discovery of the conducting and non-conducting power of different substances. Gray found that by using woven silk served as an excellent insulator. Some years later it was found that the paper industry could provide what was equivalent to woven silk. Later it was discovered that if the paper was saturated with fish oil its ability as an insulator was much improved particularly when used in harsh environments and high voltages.



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Finish off a box of Triscuits (or breakfast cereal or the backing on a pack of AA batteries, etc.), grab the scissors, and you'll have all the insulators you need.  The thin cardboard is well-suited to the task.  If you want to go for it, you might even paint the cardboard pieces flat black on both sides before installing.

I made a post some time ago about buying MTH Standard Gauge track to put around the Christmas tree and having to repair nearly 100% of the pieces I bought because the insulators were all compromised.  I sat and watched an NFL game with a trusty Lionel 1033 transformer on the table in front of me, a couple of leads and alligator clips, and, piece by piece, checked and replaced as needed.

I would also avoid electrical tape as, over time, the rails (or the ties on tubular track) will slice through and short out.

HTH.

Steven J. Serenska

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