When I activated the whistle in my recently purchased Lionel Classics Fireball Express for the first time, all I heard was a buzzing sound as if the relay coil was energizing, but the armature (hinged plate) was not being pulled to the coil. Disassembly required removing four screws to separate the tender shell from the frame. The harder part was to remove an interior red-painted shell/baffle which had the simulated coal load attached with a bolt and screw. This baffle had FIVE crimped tabs which required straightening for removal from the tender frame in order to gain access to the whistle relay. Once carefully removed, I could mechanically close the relay armature and the whistle worked! So after carefully tracing the wiring and deciding all connections were properly soldered, I then proceeded to examine the relay armature tension and deduced the spring attached had way too much tension and so, on a whim, removed it. Voila, the armature was then attracted to the energized coil and the whistle blew! Letting up on the whistle button let the armature drop down by gravity without the unnecessary spring tension. I also carefully adjusted the contact strip on the armature so there was an adequate gap between the contact points. After more testing, I reassembled the tender being careful to twist and NOT bend the baffle tabs so they would be easier to remove in the future. I tossed the aforementioned troublesome spring into my parts cabinet drawer. SUCCESS!
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QUESTION: Is it usual to have a spring attached to one of the armature hinges on a whistle relay? The effect in my case was to have TOO much tension, thereby holding the armature in a DOWN position in spite of the coil energizing!
NOT usual. I can't imagine who thought up that solution to a sticking armature, on a new tender, no less.
I suppose eventually, residual magnetism could build up in the armature allowing it to adhere to the coil and not drop by gravity. Until that happens, I will stick with my solution!!
When Lionel mfg. the "O" GG-1 in the 50's, an armature spring was so installed. In doing whistle relay rebuilding since the 1960's, we have always installed an armature spring on every unit, weather horn or whistle relay. We use a '027' whistle brush spring, bend the ends 90 degree and install. The relay is much more ready to shut off when you let go of the whistle / horn control. I remember my dad discussed this w/ Lionel back in the 1960's. Harry
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Is the relay actually inverted (as shown in your exploded view) in its installation in the GG1 so that gravity would keep the armature closed unless the spring kept it open? My relay has the armature on the bottom so gravity keeps it normally open until the pulse of DC activates it.
Both of my originals are a bit sticky even with a spring. They've spent a lot of time energized, lol. The spring and pivot gets a wetting of oil every tune up. I cleaned and dressed one of the points once, but they are good relays.
Tinplate Art posted:Is the relay actually inverted (as shown in your exploded view) in its installation in the GG1 so that gravity would keep the armature closed unless the spring kept it open?
Here is the page from Olsen's:
Tinplate Art posted:My relay has the armature on the bottom so gravity keeps it normally open until the pulse of DC activates it.
That's the usual arrangement.