Why Do We Feel The Need To Have Young People Take Up Our Hobby?

i think for most of us, especially the Boomers like myself, nostalgia is the main motivator, and we are all really collectors a heart. We grew up when getting a Lionel train for Christmas was the ultimate gift and made us the envy of our friends. Very few of us had a continuing interest in these toys- most came back later. 

My son grew up with video games (80s) and now there is a brisk market for them on Ebay- he does well buying and selling. People (men mostly) in their 30's and 40s are at that point in their life when the things of their childhood are important to them. The same thing that happened to us in the 80s and 90s.

Forget the big layouts, just set up a simple oval of track, some accessories and figures around the Christmas tree every year when the kids are young and I can almost guarantee when they have kids of their own, your children will be asking for some trains for their tree.

But trains will never again be more than a niche hobby.

Well said. I would amplify on your essay by adding model building in general. My first model kit was the Hawk 1/48 SPAD which I glued together when I was about 5. I could not do the struts and just glued the top wing onto the fuselage. I have been working with my grandson who is now 10; he is fascinated with Legos. He has assembly and spatial relationships down and can build but what is lacking is the fine motor skills to straighten up a landing gear leg or assemble a craftsman structure kit. It’s just brute force with Legos. I think my model building helped me a lot in dental school and later in dental practice. The dental aptitude test used to have a chalk carving test where you had to carve a chunk of chalk with a lab knife (NOT an X-acto) to exact geometric dimensions under pressure in a room full of others. Now it’s taken on a computer. I’m not on a computer operating in the mouth drilling a .021” hole for a retainer pin in a tooth.  I just think the young people are losing a lot of skills by playing in virtual reality rather than doing what we did. They are also losing a grasp of history that we learned. Overall I don’t believe we are raising kids with the “hands” we have.
I would add that  model railroading teaches a lot about electricity.

Why Do We Feel The Need To Have Young People Take Up Our Hobby?

Because we need them to buy our trains so we can pay for our nursing home care!

Charlie

I'm the only train nut in the family. However, we also are auto racers and all of us participate, build and drive.

I agree with most of what has been said so far.

As a "young person" I can say that most of my generation is hooked on digital devices and if it can't give you the world and fit into your pocket at the same time, a lot are not interested (I will admit that I spend too much time on my computer, but its mostly for work, college, or reading stuff on trains). 

That being said..... Social media plays a huge part in the "young modeler." If you want to, download Instagram, you will see that there are a surprisingly large amount of people who have an account dedicated to trains and other traditional hobbies too! Personally, I started out sharing my obsession with trains on Instagram back in 2015 and then it took off. I communicate with people from around the globe who share the love of this hobby. Instead of going to the local shop to discuss events, ideas, etc, we do it through direct messaging, group chats, and video calls. 

Closer to home: I live in a very rural area where the outdoor activities and traditional hobbies are more alive in comparison to other places. My very close friends all have train sets and they enjoy coming over and running the trains. One is an avid ship modeler while the other two like model planes. The garden railroad club that I am apart of has about 14 people in the "under 30" crowd, and they are very enthusiastic about trains of all sizes! Also, I can name ~20 families who have trains around their Christmas tree, but that's the only time a train set is out. I personally believe that trains will always be associated with the holiday season and people will get starter sets for their kids. Most will fall through the cracks as they age and turn away from trains (and other hobbies for that matter), yet there are some anomalies like myself, who get hooked and stay hooked.

Just my two cents.

Bryce 

Encouraging news. I watched a YouTube history of Lindberg models and they said that in a survey Lindberg took in 1962, three out of five teenaged boys listed model building as a hobby. Seems as if almost all of the older men who see my little office Christmas layout remark they had trains, then they usually tell how they came home from the service or from College, and they were gone.

@Oscale_Trains_Lover_ posted:

I agree with most of what has been said so far.

That being said..... Social media plays a huge part in the "young modeler." If you want to, download Instagram, you will see that there are a surprisingly large amount of people who have an account dedicated to trains and other traditional hobbies too! Personally, I started out sharing my obsession with trains on Instagram back in 2015 and then it took off. I communicate with people from around the globe who share the love of this hobby. Instead of going to the local shop to discuss events, ideas, etc, we do it through direct messaging, group chats, and video calls....

Bryce 

Bryce,

That's pretty interesting about Instagram.  I'll have to take a look.  Given the avid interest in social media by many in post-Baby Boom generations , that makes sense.

Sorry that I am late to the party but this is my answer to "why do we feel the need to have young people take up our hobby?" Personally, it is important to get younger people in the hobby because of a few reasons. One, the hobby, in short, is our way to experience a period of life that has been long gone and to preserve that life. With that said, it is important because if the hobby dies a major part of preserving the past will be gone. Two, it is a way to connect with different parts of life and or get away from it. For example, woodworking, electrical, modeling, engineering, and so on. With that, and so much more combined, can then be used to take a person's mind off of life and lose themselves in a world of their control. Another reason is that it gets people to get out and do things. Such as clubs, layout setups, train shows, and much more. In other words, personally, it is important for the younger generation to get into this hobby because it is a hobby that will stay with anybody for a lifetime. I know it has for me and I got into it when I was three! 

Hobby trains -- like real trains -- mimic the movement toward constructive progress through transportation for passengers and delivery of commodities and products we want and need. The history of the railroads is in large part the story of the making of America. 

As for youngsters' engagement with entertainment through digital devices today, IMHO too much of the attention invested by many youngsters in gaming and action video at websites and digital devices is based on the "dark side" of human nature; i.e.,  criminality as murder and mayhem through first-person shooter "games" that teach kids how to be assassins, warlords, and destroyers with no respect for life and rewarding conquest by all available means.  It seems to me the primary beneficiaries of promoting such destructive engagement are the Mafia, drug cartels, and ruthless paramilitary orgs.

In contrast, the train hobby offers satisfaction through craftsmanship, teaches useful life skills, and rewards safety and good order on the layout and in life.  Let's remember that CIVIL is the root of civilization.

OK, enough "sermonizing" ... I'll return to the train room for wholesome fun while young digitally-oriented hobbyists enjoy  their train-related websites.

Mike Mottler  

@Dennis GS-4 N & W No. 611 posted:

Bryce,

That's pretty interesting about Instagram.  I'll have to take a look.  Given the avid interest in social media by many in post-Baby Boom generations , that makes sense.

Dennis, 

I hope you join the model railroading community on Instagram. We are a lively bunch and there is as much posting there as there is on the OGR Forum! My Instagram account name is in my signature block if you want to check it out 

Bryce

As an eighteen-year-old it's not so simple being in the hobby, I rarely tell anyone "I'm into model trains" as it makes me look childish and immature to many people. Only a few of my closest friends know about it and still think "they're a waste of money, and I've heard "why do you buy this crap" all too often.  Getting past that they do respect the fact that I have a hobby I enjoy, just like kids of today find Video games to be a hobby they enjoy. Yes, I certainly do enjoy playing video games too but after a while, they get boring and so repetitive overwhelmingly most of my friends agree with this statement. There's just something about trains that just won't get old it always feels like a new experience, over and over again. Trains nowadays are just so expensive and hard to get into, unlike video entertainment which is only around 400$ and can be used for years with all sorts of games making them easy. I've seen the "young people like video games with violence and this, in turn, causes a correlation in their personality, etc)  so many times there's just nothing correct about it, I've played plenty of the "shooter games" but don't feel like hurting anyone, just like anyone who sees's a violent movie and doesn't feel like ultimately repeating such scenes. It's just what kids find interesting today, there are so many types of different video games you cant generalize every person who plays them. Almost every generation grows up with some sort of technology everyone has to have and there's nothing wrong with that. I've been collecting trains for over 8 years.

@justin p posted:

As an eighteen-year-old it's not so simple being in the hobby, I rarely tell anyone "I'm into model trains" as it makes me look childish and immature to many people. Only a few of my closest friends know about it and still think "they're a waste of money, and I've heard "why do you buy this crap" all too often.  Getting past that they do respect the fact that I have a hobby I enjoy, just like kids of today find Video games to be a hobby they enjoy. Yes, I certainly do enjoy playing video games too but after a while, they get boring and so repetitive overwhelmingly most of my friends agree with this statement. There's just something about trains that just won't get old it always feels like a new experience, over and over again. Trains nowadays are just so expensive and hard to get into, unlike video entertainment which is only around 400$ and can be used for years with all sorts of games making them easy. I've seen the "young people like video games with violence and this, in turn, causes a correlation in their personality, etc)  so many times there's just nothing correct about it, I've played plenty of the "shooter games" but don't feel like hurting anyone, just like anyone who sees's a violent movie and doesn't feel like ultimately repeating such scenes. It's just what kids find interesting today, there are so many types of different video games you cant generalize every person who plays them. Almost every generation grows up with some sort of technology everyone has to have and there's nothing wrong with that. I've been collecting trains for over 8 years.

Hang in there Justin - enjoy your hobby.  You will not regret being in this hobby.  While it is not as popular as in "days gone by" when there no video games, etc. or other distractions.  Time was when a kid received a train for Xmas - it was the ultimate gift.  It has always been an expensive BUT rewarding hobby .  

@justin p posted:

As an eighteen-year-old it's not so simple being in the hobby, I rarely tell anyone "I'm into model trains" as it makes me look childish and immature to many people. Only a few of my closest friends know about it and still think "they're a waste of money, and I've heard "why do you buy this crap" all too often.  Getting past that they do respect the fact that I have a hobby I enjoy, just like kids of today find Video games to be a hobby they enjoy. Yes, I certainly do enjoy playing video games too but after a while, they get boring and so repetitive overwhelmingly most of my friends agree with this statement. There's just something about trains that just won't get old it always feels like a new experience, over and over again. Trains nowadays are just so expensive and hard to get into, unlike video entertainment which is only around 400$ and can be used for years with all sorts of games making them easy. I've seen the "young people like video games with violence and this, in turn, causes a correlation in their personality, etc)  so many times there's just nothing correct about it, I've played plenty of the "shooter games" but don't feel like hurting anyone, just like anyone who sees's a violent movie and doesn't feel like ultimately repeating such scenes. It's just what kids find interesting today, there are so many types of different video games you cant generalize every person who plays them. Almost every generation grows up with some sort of technology everyone has to have and there's nothing wrong with that. I've been collecting trains for over 8 years.

Justin, I am now pushing 64, but I was like you; I didn't know any other kids who had trains in my rural community.  Some had slot cars, but most were like me, we went hiking in the woods and fields or the athletic guys played sports, which never worked for me.  I am different than most folks on the OGR Forum, in that no one gave me a train.  Dad said a train set was too expensive even as a Christmas gift, so I saved for several years to buy a low end HO set.at about age 12.  I loved my trains, and still do.  I never had anyone to share the hobby with until I found OGR in 2012.  When you get busy with college, the armed forces, girlfriends, just remember you can always come back to the hobby.  My Mum didn't throw out my trains like lots of fellows mums, but the trains were stored in an outbuilding and were destroyed by heat.

Bryce, I have an Instagram account.  I will have to find you there.

I'm 73 now and if kids like it, great if not I don't care. You can't force people to like what you do. I'm the only one in my entire family who has trains, the others just ignore them. Even when I had get togethers rarely would people want to see the Trains or see them run .Most came for the food and beer. Thats why I stopped having the get togethers with family and just invited my train friends.

I was told it was the digital age and to get with it, I think I'll stay the way I am.

Dave

Keep it fun. If you force it they won’t like it. We learned as kids and made every mistake you can make. No harm no foul, we turned into hobbyist. 

My daughter and her boyfriend came down yesterday. The BF really liked the layout. My daughter talked more about features of it than I ever thought she knew.

So you never know.  

Ask anyone under 30 or so to define the word "hobby".

I will agree with Dave that train friends are the best to invite over for a train party! We used to have big neighborhood invites to come “see the trains” (I am a Christmas carpet operator) but after a while the enthusiasm waned. We still invite non train friends but they like the quiet trains  so they can talk. Back to the original question, I do think it’s important to try to pass on the hobby - when I entered dental school a lot of my classmates were kind of ham handed as they were not modelers. Yeah eventually they learned. There are a lot of mutterings in my profession that the kids going into dentistry today do not have the hands we old timers had and I DO think the loss of modeling in general has been bad for kids not learning fine motor skills important in model building. Not to mention model railroading certainly teaches mechanical skills and basic understanding of how electricity works. They can design a crown on a computer but it’s still up to the hands and eyes to do the fine work in the mouth and certainly in the rest of the body. 

@Joe Hohmann posted:

Ask anyone under 30 or so to define the word "hobby".

This is a ridiculous comment.  People under 30 are probably more engaged in hobbies than ever.  For the record, I am 42 at the tail end of Gen X.  Must of my friends though are solid Gen X'ers with none being under 50.  However I can see what is around me and I work with a lot of millenials and people under 30.

Here are some facts:

1. Trains, especially O Gauge take up a lot of space (yes, you can have small layouts, however for most that doesn't hold interest for long)

2. Trains, especially O Gauge are expensive (yes, you can go less expensive but even setting up a decent postwar layout isn't cheap)

3. Trains are a niche for a hobby, you have to have an interest in trains in general

4. There is a larger variety hobbies today than ever before, especially around outdoor activities which I see a lot of younger people engaging in

5. Trains are mostly a solitary hobby (yes there are train clubs, however they are not convenient to or of interest to many for a variety of possible reasons, clubs have their own challenges)

During this lock down, if my 13 year old's hobby was trains, he would have been by himself isolated with just me.  However, he loves Xbox and playing with his friends, which has kept him socializing and working with others the whole time.  It takes a lot of active teamwork on these multiplayer games. Even though I myself as a gamer don't care for that style, I respect it.

For people who say the younger generation doesn't like building, using their hands, etcetera, you need to get out of your bubble.  A quick look at YouTube disproves this easily.  I see millennials building guitars from kits, restoring antique items, modding their cars, building their own Lego creations, making amazing static models in ways never seen before, converting old vans and trucks into RV's, re-purposing multitudes of things, building their own guns, building and modding RC vehicles, making furniture, designing, 3D printing and building custom projects, building and modifying mountain and street bikes, electric bikes, and so on, the list is never ending.

So go and enjoy your trains, stop worrying about how other people enjoy there lives and being distraught that young people are knocking down your door to play with your trains too.  One of my closest friends and I don't share the same hobbies, but love spending time together doing other things.  Honestly, I haven't found too many train guys I have enjoyed spending any length of time with, and that's okay to, I hold zero animosity here, just stating fact.

ONE QUICK EDIT/NOTE:

Thanks also to the power of YouTube, more people are taking on home projects than in the recent past.  I can't count the number of times that projects which would have frustrated me were greased along with helpful YouTube videos.

@TexasSP posted:

This is a ridiculous comment.  People under 30 are probably more engaged in hobbies than ever.  For the record, I am 42 at the tail end of Gen X.  Must of my friends though are solid Gen X'ers with none being under 50.  However I can see what is around me and I work with a lot of millenials and people under 30.

Here are some facts:

1. Trains, especially O Gauge take up a lot of space (yes, you can have small layouts, however for most that doesn't hold interest for long)

2. Trains, especially O Gauge are expensive (yes, you can go less expensive but even setting up a decent postwar layout isn't cheap)

3. Trains are a niche for a hobby, you have to have an interest in trains in general

4. There is a larger variety hobbies today than ever before, especially around outdoor activities which I see a lot of younger people engaging in

5. Trains are mostly a solitary hobby (yes there are train clubs, however they are not convenient to or of interest to many for a variety of possible reasons, clubs have their own challenges)

During this lock down, if my 13 year old's hobby was trains, he would have been by himself isolated with just me.  However, he loves Xbox and playing with his friends, which has kept him socializing and working with others the whole time.  It takes a lot of active teamwork on these multiplayer games. Even though I myself as a gamer don't care for that style, I respect it.

For people who say the younger generation doesn't like building, using their hands, etcetera, you need to get out of your bubble.  A quick look at YouTube disproves this easily.  I see millennials building guitars from kits, restoring antique items, modding their cars, building their own Lego creations, making amazing static models in ways never seen before, converting old vans and trucks into RV's, re-purposing multitudes of things, building their own guns, building and modding RC vehicles, making furniture, designing, 3D printing and building custom projects, building and modifying mountain and street bikes, electric bikes, and so on, the list is never ending.

So go and enjoy your trains, stop worrying about how other people enjoy there lives and being distraught that young people are knocking down your door to play with your trains too.  One of my closest friends and I don't share the same hobbies, but love spending time together doing other things.  Honestly, I haven't found too many train guys I have enjoyed spending any length of time with, and that's okay to, I hold zero animosity here, just stating fact.

ONE QUICK EDIT/NOTE:

Thanks also to the power of YouTube, more people are taking on home projects than in the recent past.  I can't count the number of times that projects which would have frustrated me were greased along with helpful YouTube videos.

TexasSP, I'm with you!!  I'm a mid-boomer, soon to be 64.  Observing my daughters and their husbands (age spread 27 to 30 among the four) and some of their friends, I am amazed at the creativity, ingenuity, attention to detail, by working with hands and brains.  I have built models for as long as I can remember, but I haven't done anything as innovative as each of the four of them.  I won't belabor the details of their interests and how two have turned their interests into income.  You said it well.

They show some interest in my interest in trains, and I show interest back in each of their endeavors.  Maybe I'll have a grandchild who will really be interested in my trains, but if not, I'm sure their parents will bring them up to be doing!

@Mark Boyce posted:

TexasSP, I'm with you!!  I'm a mid-boomer, soon to be 64.  Observing my daughters and their husbands (age spread 27 to 30 among the four) and some of their friends, I am amazed at the creativity, ingenuity, attention to detail, by working with hands and brains.  I have built models for as long as I can remember, but I haven't done anything as innovative as each of the four of them.  I won't belabor the details of their interests and how two have turned their interests into income.  You said it well.

They show some interest in my interest in trains, and I show interest back in each of their endeavors.  Maybe I'll have a grandchild who will really be interested in my trains, but if not, I'm sure their parents will bring them up to be doing!

That's awesome Mark! It's amazing seeing what the younger generation is doing, my nephew who is early 20's is all into 3D printing.  He even has a little side gig with it and owns a half dozen or so printers.

It's so easy to belittle others especially when we don't understand them.  We have enough of that in this world.  We should be slower to criticize and more patient and appreciative.  I don't have to agree with people to appreciate where they're coming from.  It does one no good to label and be dismissive.

Reminds me of a conversation I had decades ago when I was in my early twenties.  In a discussion with an "old man", he lamented the lack of interest in classical music.  I posited that it must be that most people just don't like it.  I guess the same is true of model trains.

Brendan 

Lest one forget many classical composers were the young rebels of their day.  Despised by traditionalists and older people of the time.

Yes.  History always seems to repeat itself.

Brendan

I am the only one in my family that likes trains, My son thinks my trains are worth  lot of money and wants me to leave them to him. His idea of a hobby is video games. my daughter could care less. Her hobby is the Hallmark channel.  I have a good friend I grew up with who is a train nut like me, we talk trains all the time, he is a lionel guy also. I could care less if the younger folks do not like them. I just tore down the old layout and I am building a new one so I am happy as **** doing that even though my bones hate it.

My Dad gave me my first train for Christmas when I was 3. It was a Marx Green UP M10000 and was followed each year by Lionel trains, track, switches, and a larger transformer until WW ll.  After the war, I became fascinated with HO trains that lasted until my children were grown. Then in the 80's, I became interested in the scale sized O gauge trains that Lionel, MTH, Weaver and Williams were producing. I'm still enjoying their products today, but none of my children or their children have shown any interest Papa's hobby other than watching them run on occasion.

@Brendan posted:

Reminds me of a conversation I had decades ago when I was in my early twenties.  In a discussion with an "old man", he lamented the lack of interest in classical music.  I posited that it must be that most people just don't like it.  I guess the same is true of model trains.

Brendan 

Brendon,

I'm still laughing about your very interesting post, and thinking of a Boomer writing a song titled, "Old Man", as a then 27 year old. Paul McCartney's, "When I'm 64", recorded by the Beatles, is in a similar vein.  Both Neil Young, and Paul McCartney enjoyed playing guitar and singing as young men, and then kept up their interest (among many others) as they aged.  

To me, anyone who has an avocation (or avocations) that they enjoy is very lucky, regardless of their age, or the length of time that they maintain their interest(s).  As TexasSP notes, many friends don't share the same interest, and, that is one of the special characteristics that makes them interesting. 

My 2 1/2 year old grand daughter likes to watch Thomas the Tank Engine, I do to for that matter, I have 3 PODS to finish unloading then I'll get down to the serious stuff and start unpacking my trains (first to get packed and now they'll be last to be unpacked, something wrong with that picture).  I will find a spot in the den or even in my room where I can put up a small oval and let her run my Thomas set that I have.  I'm sure she'll love it when she see's it.  I can't wait for that to happen.

My boys were never interested in trains but my oldest son knows about airplanes really well.  He knows pretty much about WWII types and some of the newer jets that are out zipping around, the younger son doesn't give a rats behind about trains or planes, just fast cars.  Funny how that works, I've loved trains for as long as I can remember, I was brought up with them and have loved them ever since.  I love planes too, my new home in Lewisville, TX is on the down wind leg and final for DFW and to suits me just fine, when rush time starts, I see them on the 2 minutes apart routine every day numerous times a day.  There's tons of Railroading up in this area, both UP and BNSF have some yards in the Ft. Worth area along with some huge Grain Elevators with lots of traffic.  I also plan to start riding the DART and the Ft. Worth train that runs between Dallas and Ft. Worth.  To keep it in perspective, I plan on taking my granddaughter to go see the trains as often as I can and will definitely take her to see the big display that TW Trainworx sets up at one of the malls,   She saw it last year and it was fantastic.

We need younger kids to get involved in the hobby, who will keep it going when we all die off?

@TexasSP posted:

This is a ridiculous comment.  People under 30 are probably more engaged in hobbies than ever.  For the record, I am 42 at the tail end of Gen X.  Must of my friends though are solid Gen X'ers with none being under 50.  However I can see what is around me and I work with a lot of millenials and people under 30.

Here are some facts:

1. Trains, especially O Gauge take up a lot of space (yes, you can have small layouts, however for most that doesn't hold interest for long)

2. Trains, especially O Gauge are expensive (yes, you can go less expensive but even setting up a decent postwar layout isn't cheap)

3. Trains are a niche for a hobby, you have to have an interest in trains in general

4. There is a larger variety hobbies today than ever before, especially around outdoor activities which I see a lot of younger people engaging in

5. Trains are mostly a solitary hobby (yes there are train clubs, however they are not convenient to or of interest to many for a variety of possible reasons, clubs have their own challenges)

During this lock down, if my 13 year old's hobby was trains, he would have been by himself isolated with just me.  However, he loves Xbox and playing with his friends, which has kept him socializing and working with others the whole time.  It takes a lot of active teamwork on these multiplayer games. Even though I myself as a gamer don't care for that style, I respect it.

For people who say the younger generation doesn't like building, using their hands, etcetera, you need to get out of your bubble.  A quick look at YouTube disproves this easily.  I see millennials building guitars from kits, restoring antique items, modding their cars, building their own Lego creations, making amazing static models in ways never seen before, converting old vans and trucks into RV's, re-purposing multitudes of things, building their own guns, building and modding RC vehicles, making furniture, designing, 3D printing and building custom projects, building and modifying mountain and street bikes, electric bikes, and so on, the list is never ending.

 

Why emphasize O gauge? IMHO all model trains are expensive these days. OTOH, I would argue a PW layout can be built at a very reasonable price compared to new trains in O Gauge or new trains in other scales. 

I don’t think anyone here is saying Millennials are not creative or do not build things with their hands. I agree with that there are many very talented Millennials on YouTube showing off what they can do and I think that is awesome! But how do you know that this is indicative of a large percentage of Millennials? I personally think this is only small representation of the total. I know 12 Millennials personally (all wonderful kids or young adults) and only two of them has a hobby that is not video games. One is into cars and another plays guitar. Two more are into sports so I don’t know if that counts as building or creating something but still it’s 4 out of 12. I am not knocking them. If I were their age I would probably be just like them. It’s just so much easier to to do stuff in the virtual world as compared to real life. In real life you have to put time and effort into building or creating something. It could be anything, not necessarily trains. IMHO, video games and other computer stuff is so captivating to young people. It’s hard for them to turn away. 

I do agree with your other points. 

If you reread my post I do not exclude other scales. Hence my wording "Trains, especially O gauge".

I know a heck of a lot more than 12 millennials and would say a large percentage have hobbies that are not video games.  Many of them have outdoor hobbies such as Mountain Biking and other sports.  

I edited my post to better reflect what I was trying to say. Traditionally, sports whether baseball, basketball, football or hiking or biking were not considered “hobbies” but if you want to classify them as such I can see your point of view. However, in sports there is no building, no using your hands. The fact is these days that people are needed in all sorts of trades from plumbers to carpenters to automotive technicians. 

"Hobby -