Williams trainmaster truck side frame

Have you tried Bachmann Williams?

Contacted Henning's waiting for reply. Thanks

Also tried Bachmann Williams they don't have.

I'd look for an old Williams trainmaster on eBay to pull them off.

Since it's a Williams, you can use a postwar FM sideframe too. I believe one of the mounting holes will have to be modified [widened or elongated] but they are close.

I looked for these at past two yorks to no avail.  I got a pair from a clib member who had junked a unit.  The LIONEL could possibly fit with significant modifications they were +5.00 each.  Frank vacek doesn't have them,  he's always my first choice.  Buying an FM to get the truck sides may be the only answer. 

I have a Williams FM Trainmaster that I'd sell once I get moved, it got packed with all the other stuff.

Frank Vacek will have them.  Frank used to work for Williams pre-Bachmann and is a great guy and terrific source for parts and repairs.  410-465-3782.

GUNRUNNERJOHN please keep in touch I'm interested. Thanks 

I wanted to post some of this stuff before I packed, but it's getting close, so into the big boxes they went.

I did not have the Williams truck sides, but do have NOS Lionel FM sides, # 2321-123 & #2321-124. $5.00 each, + shipping. I do not know what is required to make fit.   Harry 

Thanks for reply I found the Lionel ones and ordered from Lionel.

Did the Lionel parts work? I am looking for a set too.

I had problems with "Zinc Pest" in the side frames of one of my Williams diesel a couple of years ago.

Still had two (2) good ones on it - one left and one right - that hadn't collapsed, and used them as patterns to get a full set of new 3D printed ones made.

They worked a treat, and I ended up replacing all of the original side frames with the new 3D printed units.

Just had to spray paint them the right shade of blue - a Chessie System loco.

Maybe this could be an option if new replacement frames are not available.

Peter....Buco Australia

@Buco posted:

I had problems with "Zinc Pest" in the side frames of one of my Williams diesel a couple of years ago.

Still had two (2) good ones on it - one left and one right - that hadn't collapsed, and used them as patterns to get a full set of new 3D printed ones made.

Since you had them printed, do you have access to the 3D design files?

Afternoon John:

I personally don't have the design files, but I will contact my 3D printer guy (Didier) and see if he still has them, and if he is willing to let me have them (or a copy), so that I can post them here on the forum.

Watch this space.

Peter  (Buco Australia)

I'd picked up an engine that had some transplanted trucks, which we finally figured out were from a Williams Train Master. It was missing a couple of sideframes, so I made these (on the bottom):

The correct part # for the Bachman ones is 335-05-01E-02E, but they're currently listed as OOS...

@Buco posted:

Afternoon John:

I personally don't have the design files, but I will contact my 3D printer guy (Didier) and see if he still has them, and if he is willing to let me have them (or a copy), so that I can post them here on the forum.

Watch this space.

Peter  (Buco Australia)

That would be great.  Clearly, there seems to be a need.

Would a company like below make a 3D printer generated Williams Trainmaster truck side frame?

https://www.shapeways.com/mark...ce/miniatures/trains

Charlie

@Choo Choo Charlie posted:

Would a company like below make a 3D printer generated Williams Trainmaster truck side frame?

https://www.shapeways.com/mark...ce/miniatures/trains

Only if they had the CAD files for the part.  They don't design all those parts, they're designed by people that sell them through Shapeways.

@stubblebum.....

I was wondering where you were at re. replacing the Trainmaster truck sides.

I contacted Bachman Parts department the other day looking for the same item:  335-05-01E-02E.

The side frames were sold as a pair, they are no longer available.  You can purchase Trainmaster side frames from MTH and with a little work they can possibly work.   p/nB2100034 and DB2100035.

Bruce

@Junior posted:

@stubblebum.....

I was wondering where you were at re. replacing the Trainmaster truck sides.

Although, not perfect, shall we say this method was good enough... My damaged truck side was in three major parts. I was able to epoxy them together on the back side, using some thin wire (cut from resistors) as reinforcing. If the frame is not totally pulverized, this can work. Don't make the repair too thick for obvious reasons.

Contact Jeff Kane at The Traintender, Bloomfield,NY., phone 585-229-2050. Jeff sells Lionel Trainmaster truck side frames, reasonable prices, new items, quick delivery and they will fit the Williams Trainsmaster. Jeff has both the gear side and non-gear side frames. I recommend purchasing two gear side and two non-gear side, Jeff will ask you which side frame you need. Direct fitup on the truck bolster for the non-gear side, the gear side side frame requires a slight notch( file or dremel tool) to clear the gear. I have purchased from Jell in the past and would recommend him to anyone, very knowledgeable and easy to work with.    

@Junior posted:

@stubblebum.....

I was wondering where you were at re. replacing the Trainmaster truck sides.

I think I may have caused some confusion with the above posting (which I do apologize for. But I do appreciate all the responses! ). I am not in need of these truck side frames.

I was just wondering if/how the Lionel version of these truck sides worked for @stubblebum and others.

I can help here. I have 2 pairs of Williams TM trucks (enough for 1 engine). I stripped them off a Williams piece years ago. The odd thing is that one pair is plastic and one pair is die cast. Before I part with them, I want them scanned by someone with a 3D printer so we have the files going forward.

Chris

LVHR

@lehighline posted:

Before I part with them, I want them scanned by someone with a 3D printer so we have the files going forward.

Chris, they'll need a 3D scanner for that job, a much less common tool.

@lehighline posted:

I can help here. I have 2 pairs of Williams TM trucks (enough for 1 engine). I stripped them off a Williams piece years ago. The odd thing is that one pair is plastic and one pair is die cast. Before I part with them, I want them scanned by someone with a 3D printer so we have the files going forward.

Chris

LVHR

Not odd at all. I bought a Williams Train Master set at York in 1999 that consisted of a power unit with plastic sideframes and a dummy with diecast sideframes. Williams had both for a time. My guess is that it had to do with the diecast ones disintegrating. And, yes, mine have, too.

So....I was thinking about someone creating their own replacement parts (for example via 3D scanning/printing the part(s)).

If this were done, might that person run into Licensing and Copyright issues?

I'm guessing making your own parts for personal use would not be an issue (how would anyone know). But if someone decides to sell these parts there could be Licensing/Copyright issues?

Can anyone speak to that question?

Afternoon GRJ (and others):

Finally heard back from my 3D printer guy (Didier), and it is just as I had suspected. It appears it is his "intellectual property", and I can purchase the file for $200 Australian dollars. His reply E-mail is reproduced below.

There is an alternative to 3D printing but I was hesitant to post it for the following reasons...

1. Would there be Licensing or Copyright issues with Bachmann if replacement parts are created and sold (versus giving them away),

2. The parts creation process I came up with requires more testing to refine the process.

Several days ago, I created a test silicon mold using the side frames from my William's (not WBB) Trainmaster...

This mold was my first attempt ever at creating a 2-part (front and back) mold. I was surprised how good it came out!

I then did a test resin cast using the resin that I had on hand. The results were pretty good but not quite "ready for prime time". I just wanted to see if it could be done. Here's the results....

As you can see, some sections of the resin copy are missing for several reasons....

1. The missing sections are deep inside the mold. As a result they need to be prefilled before the mold halves are brought together and the remainder of the mold is filled via the fill tubes.

2. The resin I had on hand has a 2 MINUTE work time that begins once the 2 parts are brought together. This is what happens if you move to slow...

The resin harden in the cup as I was pouring it into the mold!

I think this process will work once I find a resin with a much longer work time. But that will present it's own challenges too. That means more testing.

But I'm willing to try if you all want me too.

Let me know what you think.....

Answering a question with a question. Is it a copyright issue if you slightly modify your mold such that it is not an exact copy of the original?

Steve

@RideTheRails...

That a great question. That might be a royal PIA to do. But I was thinking more about the whole Licensing and Copyright questions. I was wondering how businesses that sell replacement train parts deal with this. Or maybe they don't?

Anyway....if I hear from @Buco or anyone else that's in need of replacement Trainmaster truck sides (again, the mold is made from a Williams engine, not a WBB engine, the part configuration c/be different) to try a cast again with a different resin, I will. Otherwise I'll  just chalk it up to a learning experience and having fun.

There are no copyright issues.

Stu

@NOT LionelLLC

Thanks Stu! That's good to know.

I didn't see any issues when Henning's molded the GG1 sideframes.

Thanks for letting me know John.