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Dear Folks,

I got the first glimps of the 1948 20th Century cars. They will be in production until February 24th. Arriving in March. Reservations are full, but we may consider a second run if orders permit.

Improvements over the first run of 1938 20th Century Cars include:
- Super Lightweight Cast Aluminum Interior and Exterior Parts
- Low Current Draw LED Lighting Throughout
- Low Friction Needlepoint Axle with Machined Steel Wheels
- Painted Window Shades and Etched Window Blinds Installed Throughout






1948 20th Century Brochure

Contact us if you think we should do a second run.
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Originally posted by sdmann:
Dear Folks,

I got the first glimps of the 1948 20th Century cars. They will be in production until February 24th. Arriving in March. Reservations are full, but we may consider a second run if orders permit.

Improvements over the first run of 1938 20th Century Cars include:
- Super Lightweight Cast Aluminum Interior and Exterior Parts
- Low Current Draw LED Lighting Throughout
- Low Friction Needlepoint Axle with Machined Steel Wheels
- Painted Window Shades and Etched Window Blinds Installed Throughou


1948 20th Century Brochure

Contact us if you think we should do a second run.


THEY ARE SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL SCOTT!
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Originally posted by Lackawanna1223:
If a separate sale Hickory Creek was available, I would be down and I don't even like the NYC!

Beautiful!

Brian


I have a set reserved and all I primarily want are the 7 sleepers to use in trancontinental trains and stuff. I'm not an NYC fan either. So I will have a Hickory Creek available; I might have a few other non sleepers available depending on which others might be COSFable.

Right now I have a spare Pennsylvania 10-6 from the second run of the '48 Broadway I'm planning on selling/swapping at O Scale West if someone reading this is interested. They are very unusual ACF 10-6s so I'm not sure where else they could be used.

Richard
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Originally posted by rdunniii:
quote:
Originally posted by Lackawanna1223:
If a separate sale Hickory Creek was available, I would be down and I don't even like the NYC!

Beautiful!

Brian


I have a set reserved and all I primarily want are the 7 sleepers to use in trancontinental trains and stuff. I'm not an NYC fan either. So I will have a Hickory Creek available; I might have a few other non sleepers available depending on which others might be COSFable.

Right now I have a spare Pennsylvania 10-6 from the second run of the '48 Broadway I'm planning on selling/swapping at O Scale West if someone reading this is interested. They are very unusual ACF 10-6s so I'm not sure where else they could be used.

Richard


Richard,

I need to do some digging and see if any of your extra cars were used on the Rock Island or could be fudged for such a task.
As part of our QC testing at the factory, each powered A unit E7 must pull 7 aluminum cars on a level layout. So 2 powered As should have no problem pulling the full 12 car consist, if you have the room...

Thanks for your comments and questions.

BTW: The stripe at the rear of the observation car is too wide, we are making it narrower per the prototype and per customers requests.

Scott Mann
Dominic,

From June 1954:

The Twentieth Century used the ATSF to send a 4-4-2 and 10-6 to/from San Francisco.

The Lake Shore Limited sent a 10-6 to/from San Francisco, one day via C&NW/UP/SP and the next day via CB&Q/D&RGW/WP

The Commodore Vanderbilt had a NY-LA 4-4-2 daily via C&NW/UP and, on a few days a month basis either a 4-4-2 or a 10-6 from the ATSF in a NY/LA routing.

The PRR had a number of NY-LA and NY-SF routes, but did not use the Broadway Limited. Atlas is producing the PRR 10-6 that was their contribution to the CZ.

The B&O had a 10-6 to/from LA via the ATSF.

North of the border, both CP and CN offered coast-to-coast sleepers.

ChipR
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Originally posted by ChipR:
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The PRR had a number of NY-LA and NY-SF routes, but did not use the Broadway Limited.
...

ChipR


This is exactly what I thought. However,

on page 91 of John Kelley's book "Burlington Zephyr Photo Archive" there is a photograph of a PRR 12-4 the same as the one which came with the GGD '48 Broadway directly ahead of the CZ observation. So a car I really wasn't interested in became otherwise. Smile
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Originally posted by rdunniii:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChipR:
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The PRR had a number of NY-LA and NY-SF routes, but did not use the Broadway Limited.
...

ChipR


According to Pennsy Streamliners by
Joe Welsh:
page 78 8/1/49 Broadway Limited, ATSF 4-4-2 from LA, via ATSF Chief

page 90 pix of Santa Fe Pullman in Sunnyside yard from Super Chief & Broadway Ltd. 8/55

page 93 pix of ATSF 4-4-2 via Broadway & the Chief in Sunnyside yard

page 97 pix of Santa Fe Pullman being transferred by PRR switcher from the Broadway Ltd to Santa Fe Chief.

Hope this helps and does not just muddy waters

mikeg
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In the 1940s and into the '50s, the Super Chief occasionally interchanged sleepers with other railroads in order to provide "coast-to-coast" sleeping car service. In those instances, sleepers from eastern connections would take the place of Regal– or Pine–series cars:

(Pine Leaf, Gem, Creek, Pass, Ring, Beach) — Baltimore and Ohio Railroad "10-6" from Washington, D.C. off the Capitol Limited via Chicago to San Diego (the longest Pullman run in the United States).
(Pine Arroyo, Brook, Dale, Island, Cove, Fern) — New York Central "10-6" from New York off the 20th Century Limited via Chicago to L.A.
(Regal Gate, Gulf, Arms, Creek, Town, Court) — New York Central "4-4-2" from New York off the 20th Century Limited via Chicago to L.A.
(Regal Ruby, River, Spa, City, Inn, Ring) — Pennsylvania Railroad "4-4-2" from New York off the Broadway Limited via Chicago to L.A.

Scott, I hope that you do a second run of this set.  If you do, then please do it with all the letterboards as "New York Central" rather than the mixed "New York Central" and "Pullman" letterboards.  The "Pullman" letterboards were removed in 1949.  Since I model the 1950's (mostly), I would like to see the post 1949 version of this train, rather than the 1948-1949-only version that you released.  While I didn't buy them, I realize that I could have relettered them, but that would seem like a shame on such nice looking cars out of the box.  These are really nice looking cars!  I would buy a set if you do another run in the 1949 (and later) paint scheme.

I finally found the reference to the letterboard change from "Pullman" to "New York Central" that I had seen earlier.  It was in Classic Trains Magazine, accompanying an early Pullman Co. photograph of the "Hickory Creek" observation car:

 

"Note that Hickory Creek’s letterboard reads “Pullman,” with “New York Central” appearing in small letters by the end door.  In late 1949, however, the railroad’s name was placed on the letterboard."

 

It would be nice to see another run of these cars with the post-1949 lettering.  I understand that GGD wanted to do an "as built" version of the 1948 Century, but a post-1949 version would be nice to have out there as well since it would open up more options for motive power (rather than being limited to what was available in 1948-1949 in order to be "correct").

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